Uploaded April 2025 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago

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There's a parallel I'm noticing between what's happening today with AI and what happened way back in 2013.

So this episode studies the early days of Snapchat, the emergence of high-fidelity prototyping tools, and answers the question “what does it look like to have agency in 2025?”

- Jack Brody (dive.club/deep-dives/jack-brody) (Chief Product Officer at Suno)
- Jorn van Dijk (dive.club/deep-dives/jorn-van-dijk) (CEO of Framer)
- Julius Tarng (dive.club/deep-dives/julius-tarng) (Research engineer at Anthropic)
- Tuhin Kumar (dive.club/deep-dives/tuhin-kumar) (Head of Design at Luma AI)
- Maheen Sohail (dive.club/deep-dives/maheen-sohail) (Gen AI at Meta)
- Meng To (dive.club/deep-dives/meng-to) (Founder of Design+Code)

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