Uploaded October 2025 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago
What if fiction tells the truest story of all?
In this episode of Everything Happens, Kate Bowler sits down with writer Catherine Newman to talk about the tender absurdity of being alive. Together, they explore how grief and love often arrive hand in hand—and how fiction can be a gentle way to tell the truth that’s too heavy to say out loud.
They talk about caregiving’s awkward grace, the unbearable beauty of small acts of love, and the ways we try (and fail) to keep everyone we love safe. This conversation is for anyone who’s ever felt undone by joy, by loss, or by the strange wonder of ordinary days.
Whether you’re grieving, caregiving, or just trying to live with your whole heart—this one’s for you.
What if fiction tells the truest story of all?
In this episode of Everything Happens, Kate Bowler sits down with writer Catherine Newman to talk about the tender absurdity of being alive. Together, they explore how grief and love often arrive hand in hand—and how fiction can be a gentle way to tell the truth that’s too heavy to say out loud.
They talk about caregiving’s awkward grace, the unbearable beauty of small acts of love, and the ways we try (and fail) to keep everyone we love safe. This conversation is for anyone who’s ever felt undone by joy, by loss, or by the strange wonder of ordinary days.
Whether you’re grieving, caregiving, or just trying to live with your whole heart—this one’s for you.
