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0:00 Teaser
1:55 Trump on drug cartels: "We're gonna kill them. They're gonna be like, dead."
4:31 Venezuela: Regime change disguised as drug war
5:44 Marco Rubio holds all the foreign policy power
8:24 Trump Doctrine candidate #1: "Jump at the chance to use force"
11:37 Trump Doctrine candidate #2: Monroe 2.0
17:36 Roy Cohn's philosophy: "It is a nation of men, not laws"
22:22 Bob: There's value in hypocrisy
30:02 Trump is paving the way for a more competent tyrant
31:46 Could Trump actually be good for the world?
36:37 Trump the comedian
42:17 Heading to Overtime: Bob's mysterious invitation-only conference
Discussed in Overtime:
How to network when you hate networking.
The Non-Zero mission and Peter Thiel's "Antichrist."
What dreams are for.
Nikita's dream about the nature of modern media.
Link to schedule call with Nikita: calendly.com/psychopolitica/office-hours
Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Nikita Petrov (https://psychopolitica.substack.com). Recorded October 27, 2025.
Twitter: twitter.com/NonzeroPods
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0:00 Teaser
1:55 Trump on drug cartels: "We're gonna kill them. They're gonna be like, dead."
4:31 Venezuela: Regime change disguised as drug war
5:44 Marco Rubio holds all the foreign policy power
8:24 Trump Doctrine candidate #1: "Jump at the chance to use force"
11:37 Trump Doctrine candidate #2: Monroe 2.0
17:36 Roy Cohn's philosophy: "It is a nation of men, not laws"
22:22 Bob: There's value in hypocrisy
30:02 Trump is paving the way for a more competent tyrant
31:46 Could Trump actually be good for the world?
36:37 Trump the comedian
42:17 Heading to Overtime: Bob's mysterious invitation-only conference
Discussed in Overtime:
How to network when you hate networking.
The Non-Zero mission and Peter Thiel's "Antichrist."
What dreams are for.
Nikita's dream about the nature of modern media.
Link to schedule call with Nikita: calendly.com/psychopolitica/office-hours
Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Nikita Petrov (https://psychopolitica.substack.com). Recorded October 27, 2025.
Twitter: twitter.com/NonzeroPods



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