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0:00 Teaser
0:43 Steve’s book In Covid’s Wake: How Our Politics Failed Us
10:41 Were school closures smart policy?
18:03 The mask mandate question
24:12 Did medical experts get too much say?
30:39 The role of social class and political tribe
37:32 How dissent was suppressed
45:38 Bob takes a jab at Jay Bhattacharya
48:31 Heading to OT: Why Steve wrote the book

Discussed in Overtime:
Lab leak or natural origin?
Fauci’s sketchy Covid conduct.
Why lab leak matters—even if it didn't happen.
Has Rand Paul been vindicated on gain of function?

Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Stephen Macedo (Princeton University, In Covid's Wake). Recorded September 16, 2025.

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