Uploaded November 2025 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago

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Gavin Ortlund explores the famous 1931 conversation between Lewis, Tolkien, and Dyson to explore how myth and storytelling might point to the truth of Christianity.

See the article referenced: artofmanliness.com/character/manly-lessons/the-power-of-conversation-a-lesson-from-cs-lewis-and-jrr-tolkien

Video Referenced: A Christian View of Stars (This Will Surprise You): youtu.be/pey9uQna2U4?si=z-8UHP7kaxcTZmKM

Alister McGrath's C S Lewis biography: amazon.com/C-Lewis-Life-Eccentric-Reluctant/dp/1496410459

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00:00 - Introduction
03:22 - The 1931 Conversation
06:15 - Christianity and Pagan Mythology
11:32 - Tolkien's Poem for Lewis
16:54 - Jesus as the True Myth
18:51 - A Challenge for Naturalism