Uploaded May 2026 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago

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Gavin Ortlund and Erick Ybarra discuss and examine Penal Substitutionary Atonement (PSA) in light of Scripture and Church tradition.

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00:00:00 - Coming Up
00:00:55 - Introduction
00:03:06 - Defining PSA
00:08:05 - Caricatures In PSA
00:18:53 - Why PSA Is Important
00:28:41 - What Makes PSA Unpopular?
00:35:40 - Christus Victor
00:46:07 - Being Terrified of God
00:54:13 - PSA In the Church Fathers
01:03:30 - Jesus’s Whole Life as Salvific
01:08:54 - PSA and Catholicism
01:11:38 - The State of Online Discourse
01:16:54 - Final Remarks