Uploaded April 2025 | Updated September 2026, 12 hours ago
Why do people call religion organized?
Depending on where you go, a spiritual leader will lead you to feel something — it could be fire and brimstone fear or insincere feelings of piety — all the while avoiding the hard questions and truths that gnaw on your soul.
As an evangelical pastor’s son, Aaron Abke knew that organized world all too well and tried to live that prescribed life for a very short time as a pastor of his own church, until he left it all behind at the ripe old age of 23 because he stopped believing in what he was preaching.
Aaron shares a spiritual journey that took him from the fundamentalist pulpit to Ra and the Law of One and all the answers he was looking for this week on Spirit Gym.
Learn more about Aaron and his work on his website at aaronabke.com and 4D University at 4duniversity.com . Find him on social media via Instagram at instagram.com/aaronabke and YouTube at youtube.com/aaronabke .
0:00 Intro
6:10 “I look at the ego more as a verb than a noun.”
11:36 What is God?
21:52 “How do you grow toward something you’re terrified or ashamed of?”
25:23 Who is Ra?
36:36 Densities: The Chakras of the universe.
42:37 The Hawkins scale of consciousness.
55:57 All energy is intelligent.
1:07:43 Light and the Golden Rule.
1:21:49 Aaron defines evil or sin as a movement of the will away from love or good.
1:33:02 Why Aaron and Paul left organized religion.
1:45:13 How Aaron learned he was in a cult and discovered the Law of One.
1:57:06 “To me, faith is really trust.”
2:04:29 A part of Aaron always knew the Law of One, yet didn’t know it.
2:16:21 More basics for understanding Ra’s teachings.
2:27:21 A perfect metaphysical explanation for trauma.
2:44:48 “I think the time of man being able to sequester itself and religion is just long gone on our planet.”
Listen to Paul's conversation with Aaron Abke and check out the show notes page on our Spirit Gym website at paulchek.com/blog/podcast-episodes/episode-342-aaron-abke-the-law-of-one
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Why do people call religion organized?
Depending on where you go, a spiritual leader will lead you to feel something — it could be fire and brimstone fear or insincere feelings of piety — all the while avoiding the hard questions and truths that gnaw on your soul.
As an evangelical pastor’s son, Aaron Abke knew that organized world all too well and tried to live that prescribed life for a very short time as a pastor of his own church, until he left it all behind at the ripe old age of 23 because he stopped believing in what he was preaching.
Aaron shares a spiritual journey that took him from the fundamentalist pulpit to Ra and the Law of One and all the answers he was looking for this week on Spirit Gym.
Learn more about Aaron and his work on his website at aaronabke.com and 4D University at 4duniversity.com . Find him on social media via Instagram at instagram.com/aaronabke and YouTube at youtube.com/aaronabke .
0:00 Intro
6:10 “I look at the ego more as a verb than a noun.”
11:36 What is God?
21:52 “How do you grow toward something you’re terrified or ashamed of?”
25:23 Who is Ra?
36:36 Densities: The Chakras of the universe.
42:37 The Hawkins scale of consciousness.
55:57 All energy is intelligent.
1:07:43 Light and the Golden Rule.
1:21:49 Aaron defines evil or sin as a movement of the will away from love or good.
1:33:02 Why Aaron and Paul left organized religion.
1:45:13 How Aaron learned he was in a cult and discovered the Law of One.
1:57:06 “To me, faith is really trust.”
2:04:29 A part of Aaron always knew the Law of One, yet didn’t know it.
2:16:21 More basics for understanding Ra’s teachings.
2:27:21 A perfect metaphysical explanation for trauma.
2:44:48 “I think the time of man being able to sequester itself and religion is just long gone on our planet.”
Listen to Paul's conversation with Aaron Abke and check out the show notes page on our Spirit Gym website at paulchek.com/blog/podcast-episodes/episode-342-aaron-abke-the-law-of-one
Thanks to our awesome sponsors!
• Paleovalley paleovalley.com/chek15 (save 15% on your first purchase)
• BiOptimizers bioptimizers.com/living4d (save an extra 10% on your purchase by using the code PAUL10 at checkout)
• Organifi organifi.com/chek20 (save 20% on your purchase by using the code CHEK20 at checkout)
• CHEK Institute/HLC 1 Live chekinstitute.com/core (Register for HLC 1 Live with Angie Chek at the Rainbow House today!)
• Wild Pastures wildpastures.com/paulchek (save 20% and free shipping for life plus $15 on your first order)
We may earn commissions from qualifying purchases using affiliate links.
Music Credit: Meet Your Heroes (444Hz) by Brave as Bears at braveasbears.bandcamp.com
All Rights Reserved MusicFit Records 2024 at musicfitrecords.com
