Uploaded June 2026 | Updated September 2026, 7 hours ago
John Michael Greer joins World Astrology Report to discuss one of the most provocative astrology ideas of recent years: what if Pluto’s 2006 demotion from planet to dwarf planet was not merely an astronomical footnote, but a sign that the Plutonian era itself is entering its twilight?
In his book The Twilight of Pluto, Greer argues that Pluto’s influence rose around the time of its discovery in 1930, intensified through the 20th century, and began to decline after its demotion in 2006. By 2036, he suggests, Pluto may no longer operate as the dominant astrological force many modern astrologers assume it to be.
In this conversation, Dan Waites and John Michael Greer explore Pluto’s relationship to power, wealth, secrecy, plutocracy, totalitarianism, nuclear weapons, ugly architecture, digital control, AI, the surveillance state, elite collapse, conspiracy culture and the coming revelation of secrets.
They also discuss whether astrologers have overstated Pluto’s importance, what Pluto really symbolises, why its demotion provoked such outrage, and whether the current moment represents Pluto’s high noon — or its last gasp.
This is a conversation about astrology, history, technology, power and the strange possibility that the great planet of hidden control may itself be losing control.
For members of World Astrology Report, the extended version includes a bonus discussion on the discovery of new Kuiper Belt objects, the future of mundane astrology, conspiracy culture, geopolitics, World War 3, the decline of the United States, and the possibility of an coming wave of apocalyptic fantasy between 2026 and 2032.
John Michael Greer online:
ecosophia.net
ecosophia.dreamwidth.org
patreon.com/johnmichaelgreer
Study Vedic astrology with Aswin Subramanyan: aswinsubramanyan.com/programs/d533826d-c224-4d25-9feb-c56ec8929522?programId=d533826d-c224-4d25-9feb-c56ec8929522
Timestamps:
00:00 Pluto, Power and the Digital Control Grid
01:17 John Michael Greer’s Twilight of Pluto Thesis
03:28 Pluto’s 2006 Demotion and Its Astrological Meaning
06:29 Why Greer Thinks Pluto Has Been Overstated
08:28 Dan’s Response: Does Pluto Still Matter?
10:56 Planetary Discovery, History and the Plutonian Era
16:13 What Pluto Really Symbolises
19:03 Pluto, Nuclear Power, Space Travel and Modern Hype
22:11 Are Plutonian Forces Already Declining?
25:49 Pluto, Brutalism and the Rejection of Cosmos
28:27 Totalitarianism, Fear and the Will to Control
32:09 AI, Digital ID and the Failing Control Grid
37:42 Why the Digital Panopticon May Be a Sign of Weakness
41:34 Pluto, Secrecy, Plutocracy and Coming Scandals
47:04 Could Pluto Become a Planet Again?
48:00 Final Thoughts and Members’ Bonus Preview
John Michael Greer joins World Astrology Report to discuss one of the most provocative astrology ideas of recent years: what if Pluto’s 2006 demotion from planet to dwarf planet was not merely an astronomical footnote, but a sign that the Plutonian era itself is entering its twilight?
In his book The Twilight of Pluto, Greer argues that Pluto’s influence rose around the time of its discovery in 1930, intensified through the 20th century, and began to decline after its demotion in 2006. By 2036, he suggests, Pluto may no longer operate as the dominant astrological force many modern astrologers assume it to be.
In this conversation, Dan Waites and John Michael Greer explore Pluto’s relationship to power, wealth, secrecy, plutocracy, totalitarianism, nuclear weapons, ugly architecture, digital control, AI, the surveillance state, elite collapse, conspiracy culture and the coming revelation of secrets.
They also discuss whether astrologers have overstated Pluto’s importance, what Pluto really symbolises, why its demotion provoked such outrage, and whether the current moment represents Pluto’s high noon — or its last gasp.
This is a conversation about astrology, history, technology, power and the strange possibility that the great planet of hidden control may itself be losing control.
For members of World Astrology Report, the extended version includes a bonus discussion on the discovery of new Kuiper Belt objects, the future of mundane astrology, conspiracy culture, geopolitics, World War 3, the decline of the United States, and the possibility of an coming wave of apocalyptic fantasy between 2026 and 2032.
John Michael Greer online:
ecosophia.net
ecosophia.dreamwidth.org
patreon.com/johnmichaelgreer
Study Vedic astrology with Aswin Subramanyan: aswinsubramanyan.com/programs/d533826d-c224-4d25-9feb-c56ec8929522?programId=d533826d-c224-4d25-9feb-c56ec8929522
Timestamps:
00:00 Pluto, Power and the Digital Control Grid
01:17 John Michael Greer’s Twilight of Pluto Thesis
03:28 Pluto’s 2006 Demotion and Its Astrological Meaning
06:29 Why Greer Thinks Pluto Has Been Overstated
08:28 Dan’s Response: Does Pluto Still Matter?
10:56 Planetary Discovery, History and the Plutonian Era
16:13 What Pluto Really Symbolises
19:03 Pluto, Nuclear Power, Space Travel and Modern Hype
22:11 Are Plutonian Forces Already Declining?
25:49 Pluto, Brutalism and the Rejection of Cosmos
28:27 Totalitarianism, Fear and the Will to Control
32:09 AI, Digital ID and the Failing Control Grid
37:42 Why the Digital Panopticon May Be a Sign of Weakness
41:34 Pluto, Secrecy, Plutocracy and Coming Scandals
47:04 Could Pluto Become a Planet Again?
48:00 Final Thoughts and Members’ Bonus Preview
