Uploaded July 2026 | Updated September 2026, 1 day ago
Living the life of your dreams is very hard work.
Paul believes much of that hard work comes from being open (and brave) to listen to new and different ideas — things you may never have considered before — then testing them in your own laboratory of daily living to see if they’re true and they work for you.
Having the courage to explore and refine your life by doing the hard work of letting go of the stuff that isn’t working for you and choosing to allow the new in is a recurring theme in this week’s Spirit Gym conversation with Erick Godsey, a Master Coach and teacher of myth, science and philosophy.
Remember, the best teachers you’ll ever have are the ones who are always challenging you to be your best you, not a clone or cult member!
Curious to read more after Paul’s conversation with Erick? Check out part 1 ( substack.com/@erickgodsey/p-199891525 ) and part 2 ( substack.com/@erickgodsey/p-201021419 ) of his Renaissance Fitness essays on Substack ( substack.com/@erickgodsey ) where you can subscribe to his feed for free.
Find out more about Erick and his work on his website ( erickgodsey.com ) and Skool.com/The Dharma Artist Collective ( skool.com/lucid-university/about ). Look for him on social media via Instagram ( instagram.com/erickgodsey ) , Facebook ( facebook.com/ErickGodsey ) and YouTube ( youtube.com/@themythsthatmakeus/videos ). Listen to his Myths That Makes Us podcast on Apple Podcasts ( podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-myths-that-make-us/id1455569633 ) or wherever you listen to them.
0:00 Intro
3:12 The spiritual community is splitting into different camps about how to handle technology.
7:58 Erick was slow to change his mind about God, reincarnation and remote viewing.
15:17 Paul’s remote viewing skills are put to the test.
25:25 “To remote view, you have to get rid of any idea that could alter your conviction that it's even possible.”
34:35 What does unconditional love mean?
44:03 Myths and archetypes.
51:05 Is there a fundamental grammar for archetypes that’s represented in the Tarot?
59:18 A metaphysical kind of artificial intelligence that’s been around for billions of years.
1:06:42 The illusions we create to make our stories work when they really don’t.
1:13:43 Paul’s dream: Do the work to figure things out for yourself and test what you learn, even from him.
1:19:46 Like Paul, Erick has been accused of being a cult leader and he lists it on his resume as a source of pride.
1:23:46 One thought leader believes it could take about 735 lifetimes to reach a state of enlightenment.
1:31:42 “I see a lot of sleeping teachers and potential leaders.”
1:40:30 The deep importance of your dream life.
1:47:10 Paul explains how to speak to and hear your soul.
2:01:48 Paul helps Erick work with his soul.
2:10:44 Heart breathing, soul connection and praying.
Listen to Paul's conversation with Erick Godsey and check out the show notes page on our Spirit Gym website at paulchek.com/blog/podcast-episodes/408-with-erick-godsey
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Music Credit: Meet Your Heroes (444Hz), Composed, mixed, mastered and produced by Michael RB Schwartz of Brave Bear Music
Living the life of your dreams is very hard work.
Paul believes much of that hard work comes from being open (and brave) to listen to new and different ideas — things you may never have considered before — then testing them in your own laboratory of daily living to see if they’re true and they work for you.
Having the courage to explore and refine your life by doing the hard work of letting go of the stuff that isn’t working for you and choosing to allow the new in is a recurring theme in this week’s Spirit Gym conversation with Erick Godsey, a Master Coach and teacher of myth, science and philosophy.
Remember, the best teachers you’ll ever have are the ones who are always challenging you to be your best you, not a clone or cult member!
Curious to read more after Paul’s conversation with Erick? Check out part 1 ( substack.com/@erickgodsey/p-199891525 ) and part 2 ( substack.com/@erickgodsey/p-201021419 ) of his Renaissance Fitness essays on Substack ( substack.com/@erickgodsey ) where you can subscribe to his feed for free.
Find out more about Erick and his work on his website ( erickgodsey.com ) and Skool.com/The Dharma Artist Collective ( skool.com/lucid-university/about ). Look for him on social media via Instagram ( instagram.com/erickgodsey ) , Facebook ( facebook.com/ErickGodsey ) and YouTube ( youtube.com/@themythsthatmakeus/videos ). Listen to his Myths That Makes Us podcast on Apple Podcasts ( podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-myths-that-make-us/id1455569633 ) or wherever you listen to them.
0:00 Intro
3:12 The spiritual community is splitting into different camps about how to handle technology.
7:58 Erick was slow to change his mind about God, reincarnation and remote viewing.
15:17 Paul’s remote viewing skills are put to the test.
25:25 “To remote view, you have to get rid of any idea that could alter your conviction that it's even possible.”
34:35 What does unconditional love mean?
44:03 Myths and archetypes.
51:05 Is there a fundamental grammar for archetypes that’s represented in the Tarot?
59:18 A metaphysical kind of artificial intelligence that’s been around for billions of years.
1:06:42 The illusions we create to make our stories work when they really don’t.
1:13:43 Paul’s dream: Do the work to figure things out for yourself and test what you learn, even from him.
1:19:46 Like Paul, Erick has been accused of being a cult leader and he lists it on his resume as a source of pride.
1:23:46 One thought leader believes it could take about 735 lifetimes to reach a state of enlightenment.
1:31:42 “I see a lot of sleeping teachers and potential leaders.”
1:40:30 The deep importance of your dream life.
1:47:10 Paul explains how to speak to and hear your soul.
2:01:48 Paul helps Erick work with his soul.
2:10:44 Heart breathing, soul connection and praying.
Listen to Paul's conversation with Erick Godsey and check out the show notes page on our Spirit Gym website at paulchek.com/blog/podcast-episodes/408-with-erick-godsey
Thanks to our awesome sponsors!
• Spirit Gym myspiritgym.com (sign up for Paul’s live, virtual masterclass to learn how to live the life of your dreams today!)
• BIOptimizers bioptimizers.com/spiritgym (save an extra 15% on your purchase by using the code PAUL15 at checkout)
• CHEK Institute paul.chekinstitute.com/spiritgym (learn about our Eat, Move and Be Healthy coaching program today!)
• Wild Pastures wildpastures.com/paulchek (save 20% and free shipping for life plus $15 on your first order)
• Organifi organifi.com/chek20 (save 20% on your purchase by using the code CHEK20 at checkout)
• Paleovalley paleovalley.com/chek15 (save 15% on your first purchase)
We may earn commissions from qualifying purchases using affiliate links.
Music Credit: Meet Your Heroes (444Hz), Composed, mixed, mastered and produced by Michael RB Schwartz of Brave Bear Music
