Uploaded February 2026 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago
San Holo (Sander van Dijck) sits down with Adam Metwally to unpack the real cost of being “the light of the party” while still feeling like an outcast. He opens up about why sadness can be beautiful, how perfectionism nearly broke him (including a breakdown over kick drums before a major show), and the split between loving music and surviving the music industry. They dive into why formulas kill art, how major labels push artists to repeat the same hit, what it took to buy his way out to stay authentic, and why connection, not fame, is what keeps a career alive.
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🕒 TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 The Journey of San Holo: From Outcast to Superstar
05:06 Music And Emotion
07:55 Finding Your Unique Sound
12:48 The Role of Sadness in Creativity
20:34 Navigating the Music Industry
25:52 The Percentage Theory: Understanding Emotional States
36:50 Loneliness in the Spotlight
39:23 The Pursuit of Perfection in Art
41:06 Finding Peace in Music and Industry
01:01:59 Creating Your Own Truth
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Each week I’ll be deep diving into the lives, habits and lessons of some of the most successful and interesting people in the world - teasing out their curiosities and aiming to provide actionable insights for your day-to-day life.
The podcast focusses on the pillars of health, wealth, and wisdom - and each episode is an in-depth, vulnerable conversation with a unique individual taking on the world in their unique way.
Expect episodes on business, marketing, health, spirituality, biohacking, mindset, content creation and more!
Hosted by Adam Metwally - (instagram.com/meetwally/)
Produced by Joe Fowler (instagram.com/joeefowler/).
🎶 Music:
By — HNNY
youtube.com/watch?v=3r3Paw23_eQ
San Holo (Sander van Dijck) sits down with Adam Metwally to unpack the real cost of being “the light of the party” while still feeling like an outcast. He opens up about why sadness can be beautiful, how perfectionism nearly broke him (including a breakdown over kick drums before a major show), and the split between loving music and surviving the music industry. They dive into why formulas kill art, how major labels push artists to repeat the same hit, what it took to buy his way out to stay authentic, and why connection, not fame, is what keeps a career alive.
📺 Loved this episode? Here’s some of our other favourites:
youtube.com/watch?v=Eqx00oiLLOQ&t=569s
youtube.com/watch?v=6S2wEWQKNag&t=3240s
youtube.com/watch?v=EfuCaISs7-s&t=1s
youtube.com/watch?v=dxXGqIL_AxA&t=9s
🔗 FOLLOW SAN HOLO:
sanholo.com
youtube.com/channel/UCIwv90GceyJdsl9-9YYYaLQ
open.spotify.com/artist/0jNDKefhfSbLR9sFvcPLHo?si=Y7qSfxFhSWSZpPFDGbXv9w
instagram.com/sanholobeats
tiktok.com/@sanholobeats
🕒 TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 The Journey of San Holo: From Outcast to Superstar
05:06 Music And Emotion
07:55 Finding Your Unique Sound
12:48 The Role of Sadness in Creativity
20:34 Navigating the Music Industry
25:52 The Percentage Theory: Understanding Emotional States
36:50 Loneliness in the Spotlight
39:23 The Pursuit of Perfection in Art
41:06 Finding Peace in Music and Industry
01:01:59 Creating Your Own Truth
✌🏼 SUPPORT THE PODCAST BY PURCHASING PRODUCTS WE LOVE:
💧 Vitadrop — Healthy Hydration & Vitamins (Sleep / Hydration / Focus & Collagen) — Use the code 'TOT' to get 25% off your purchase @ https://www.vitadrop.com.au/TOT
👟 Vivobarefoot — My favourite barefoot shoes that I wear everyday — Use the code ‘TOT’ for 20% off @ www.[vivobarefoot.com/](https://vivobarefoot.com/)
🥗 Blueprint — Longevity supplements and meal solutions by Bryan Johnson — Use the code ‘TOT’ for 10% off your purchase @ [friends.bryanjohnson.com/TOT](https://friends.bryanjohnson.com/TOT)
📖 5 Minute Journal — My favourite daily gratitude journal — Use the code ‘TOT10’ for 10% off @ intelligentchange.com/?rfsn=4732871.491170e&utm_source=refersion&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=4732871.491170e
📝 Notion — My favourite note taking app I use for my business and personal life everyday — Use the code ‘TOT’ to support the podcast @ https://affiliate.notion.so/TOT
😴 Hostage Tape — A sleep mouth tape I use every night — Use code for 10% off @ hostagetape.com/products/buy?snowball=ADAM90598
🐄 Carnivore Aurelius Collagen — Collagen I use daily — Use code ‘TOT’ for 10% off @ carnivoreaurelius.com/TOT
👓 Blue Light Glasses — Glasses I wear every night — Use code ‘TOT’ for 10% off @ [www.blockbluelight.com.au/?ref=TOT](https://www.blockbluelight.com.au/?ref=TOT)
📵 Opal — Blocking iPhone app app I use daily - Follow the link to support the podcast @ www.[applink.opal.so/invite-friend?rc=EA66X&rId=AIriLLeGL0Nofh8MOpdNLEwgEF53&rNme=Admet](https://applink.opal.so/invite-friend?rc=EA66X&rId=AIriLLeGL0Nofh8MOpdNLEwgEF53&rNme=Admet)
GET IN TOUCH:
🌍 Our website: thatonetimepodcast.com
🌍 Advertise with us:
partnerships@thatonetimepodcast.com
🌍 Book us:
bookings@thatonetimepodcast.com
JOIN OUR COMMUNITY:
🎥 YouTube: youtube.com/channel/UCP62dkT4JUozGGlk7zT1afQ?sub_confirmation=1
🗣️ Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/2CDS3KOgOSwmKCvK6BWS8B?si=e5916dc892c84387
🍎 Apple: podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/that-one-time-with-adam-metwally/id1657317674
📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thatonetime_podcast
🐦 X / Twitter: https://x.com/itsadammetwally
🎵 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thatonetime_podcast
💭 ABOUT US:
Each week I’ll be deep diving into the lives, habits and lessons of some of the most successful and interesting people in the world - teasing out their curiosities and aiming to provide actionable insights for your day-to-day life.
The podcast focusses on the pillars of health, wealth, and wisdom - and each episode is an in-depth, vulnerable conversation with a unique individual taking on the world in their unique way.
Expect episodes on business, marketing, health, spirituality, biohacking, mindset, content creation and more!
Hosted by Adam Metwally - (instagram.com/meetwally/)
Produced by Joe Fowler (instagram.com/joeefowler/).
🎶 Music:
By — HNNY
youtube.com/watch?v=3r3Paw23_eQ
