RA028: Ben Watkins vs Trent Horn Debate Review @RealAtheology
RA028: Ben Watkins vs Trent Horn Debate Review  @RealAtheology
Uploaded September 2021 | Updated September 2026, 2 hours ago
In this episode, we critically review our co-host Ben Watkins's debate against Trent Horn of Catholic Answers at Capturing Christianity's conference CCv1. We are joined by esteemed guests Felipe Leon and Joe Schmid. This wide-ranging discussion covers such topics as intrinsic value, classical versus personalist models of God, the argument from motion, existential inertia, and the privation theory of evil.

You can find Felipe Leon's work via the links below:

exapologist.blogspot.com

https://elcamino.academia.edu/FelipeLeon

You can find Joe Schmid's work here: https://linktr.ee/majestyofreason

Timestamps:

00:00 - Introduction

0:35 - Introducing our Guests: Prof. Felipe Leon and Joe Schmid

4:20 - Initial thoughts on the Debate

9:23 - Purpose of the Debate

11:40 - Introductory thoughts on Classical Theism

19:11 - God as Being Itself/Different versions of Classical Theism

26:40 - Controversial Assumptions within Aristotelian/Thomistic Metaphysics and Objections to the Argument from the Motion/Change

29:55 - Existential Inertia, Conservation, and Persistence

37:38 - Schmid's preferred objections to the Argument from the Motion/Change, Quantifier Shift, and the Gap Problem

52:25 - Causal Finitism and Infinity

56:20 - Objections to Hilbert's Hotel and Bernadete Paradoxes

1:05:40 - Finite Past more problematic for Theism than Naturalism

1:14:54 - Introduction to Trent's Moral Arguments

1:18:30 - Does Naturalism force you to accept unintuitive moral views?

1:20:27 - More Objections to Moral Arguments and Defenses of Atheistic Moral Realism

1:13:14 - How does Naturalism account for Intrinsic Value and Human Equality?

1:39:41 - The Privation View of the Evil and Objections

1:51:06 - Naturalim's Simplicity and higher Intristic Probability

2:12:16 - Brief remarks on other arguments against Classical Theism: Modal Collapse, Aloneness Arguments, etc

2:14:00 - Closing thoughts on the Debate.
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