Kriller37 | *PB* 8-4 IL in 44.344 (8-7) @kriller3771 | Uploaded 4 years ago | Updated 6 hours ago
After tying Taven's record a few months back, I finally beat it, except now 8-4 IL is insane and this new PB of mine isn't even close to record.
Took lots of on and off attempts, but I am really happy I finally got this 8-7. Especially since my 8-6 was the first ever I into water, I knew I definitely could get 8-7. I have always struggled with perfect water, which has been a really big barrier for me in 8-4 IL, and this was my 5th 8-I into water before I finally pulled it off. Also, I instantly grab my phone right after getting 8-7 because I was trying to VC with someone to tell them what happened. This run was about 40 seconds into a stream, no one was in chat yet, and I wasn't in VC with anyone, so I didn't have anyone to tell right after. I should have just enjoyed the moment longer on my own, but it was still super satisfying either way.
I'll probably be doing more occasional 8-8 attempts every once in a while, but don't expect any crazy grind or major return to 8-4 IL. I think I will probably eventually get 8-8, but I really don't know, and am satisfied with this if I never PB again.
One more thing I want to talk about is how I have seen 8-4 IL progress since I started running it. I really started running 8-4 IL in early July 2019, when Taven was first place with 8-6, gtace was second with 8-1 +1, and Kosmic was 3rd with his 8-J. Also, 8-F was 10th place, which is now the 8-4 in any% WR. Taven and gtace were the only people who had done DFA in runs, and AFAIK Taven was the only person to have gotten frame 67 or 66 (even in practice), and I don't even know if anyone else had even gotten 68 other than Taven. I started giving 8-4 IL a try, and was really liking it, and eventually got 8-G, and then started trying out DFA, and eventually got frame 66 in practice and got 8-2, which was tied second place (with converted framerate). Over the next little while, I got a NES and CRT, did some more 8-4 IL, and had some pretty good back and forth PB's between me and gtace. At this time, 8-B wall jump was something that basically no one knew much about at all, and no one was really consistent at, and so few people did DFA, little was known about that as well, and frame 67 and especially 66 was considered really good. Record didn't have 8-B, and I believe I had only done it once ever by the time I had 8-3. When I started 44.3x attempts, I imagined that my perfect run would be 8-A to A to G (67) to 5, but I was expecting 8-4 to probably happen. I then got 8-5 a but later, giving me untied second place, which I had wanted for a very long time, and was super satisfied with. I truly thought I was done with 8-4 IL at the time, and really didn't think I would ever get 8-6, and was completely satisfied.
Now, jump to the present times, and for top runners continuing an 8-9 first room is a joke (which was in the second place run in July 2019), 8-A wall jump is bad, 8-B is standard at best (which wasn't in any top 8-4 IL runs until gtaces 44.394 in sep. 2019) and for the most part 8-C WJ is almost expected. And for DFA, frame 67 or slower is bad, and 66 is for the most part the slowest acceptable turn around, and sometimes 65 is needed for people to be able to PB at all. I can't believe how far this category has come in such a short time, and how many people now have such good times.
Couple more things to say that I didn't fit in above:
- A to B to I (frame 66) to 7 +1 was the full room SoB for 8-4 IL until the start of 2020, and A B J 8 +1 was segmented SoB until around 3-4 months ago. For so long I and many others didn't think Tavens 8-6 would be beaten for a long time, could barely imagine 8-8 happening even far out in the future, and I was convinced I would never see 8-9 happen. Now the current WR not only is 8-9, but doesn't use the newly-discovered-to-be-possible 8-C WJ and +2 last room. Niftskis 8-9 is literally the exact room speed that I never thought I would see happen in the past. Shows how much expectations of certain times and certain tricks has changed.
- Kosmics 8-J is now 23rd, Tavens 8-6 is now apart of a 3 way tie for 8th, and there are now 16 44.3xx's
- "I'm I I'm I"
After tying Taven's record a few months back, I finally beat it, except now 8-4 IL is insane and this new PB of mine isn't even close to record.
Took lots of on and off attempts, but I am really happy I finally got this 8-7. Especially since my 8-6 was the first ever I into water, I knew I definitely could get 8-7. I have always struggled with perfect water, which has been a really big barrier for me in 8-4 IL, and this was my 5th 8-I into water before I finally pulled it off. Also, I instantly grab my phone right after getting 8-7 because I was trying to VC with someone to tell them what happened. This run was about 40 seconds into a stream, no one was in chat yet, and I wasn't in VC with anyone, so I didn't have anyone to tell right after. I should have just enjoyed the moment longer on my own, but it was still super satisfying either way.
I'll probably be doing more occasional 8-8 attempts every once in a while, but don't expect any crazy grind or major return to 8-4 IL. I think I will probably eventually get 8-8, but I really don't know, and am satisfied with this if I never PB again.
One more thing I want to talk about is how I have seen 8-4 IL progress since I started running it. I really started running 8-4 IL in early July 2019, when Taven was first place with 8-6, gtace was second with 8-1 +1, and Kosmic was 3rd with his 8-J. Also, 8-F was 10th place, which is now the 8-4 in any% WR. Taven and gtace were the only people who had done DFA in runs, and AFAIK Taven was the only person to have gotten frame 67 or 66 (even in practice), and I don't even know if anyone else had even gotten 68 other than Taven. I started giving 8-4 IL a try, and was really liking it, and eventually got 8-G, and then started trying out DFA, and eventually got frame 66 in practice and got 8-2, which was tied second place (with converted framerate). Over the next little while, I got a NES and CRT, did some more 8-4 IL, and had some pretty good back and forth PB's between me and gtace. At this time, 8-B wall jump was something that basically no one knew much about at all, and no one was really consistent at, and so few people did DFA, little was known about that as well, and frame 67 and especially 66 was considered really good. Record didn't have 8-B, and I believe I had only done it once ever by the time I had 8-3. When I started 44.3x attempts, I imagined that my perfect run would be 8-A to A to G (67) to 5, but I was expecting 8-4 to probably happen. I then got 8-5 a but later, giving me untied second place, which I had wanted for a very long time, and was super satisfied with. I truly thought I was done with 8-4 IL at the time, and really didn't think I would ever get 8-6, and was completely satisfied.
Now, jump to the present times, and for top runners continuing an 8-9 first room is a joke (which was in the second place run in July 2019), 8-A wall jump is bad, 8-B is standard at best (which wasn't in any top 8-4 IL runs until gtaces 44.394 in sep. 2019) and for the most part 8-C WJ is almost expected. And for DFA, frame 67 or slower is bad, and 66 is for the most part the slowest acceptable turn around, and sometimes 65 is needed for people to be able to PB at all. I can't believe how far this category has come in such a short time, and how many people now have such good times.
Couple more things to say that I didn't fit in above:
- A to B to I (frame 66) to 7 +1 was the full room SoB for 8-4 IL until the start of 2020, and A B J 8 +1 was segmented SoB until around 3-4 months ago. For so long I and many others didn't think Tavens 8-6 would be beaten for a long time, could barely imagine 8-8 happening even far out in the future, and I was convinced I would never see 8-9 happen. Now the current WR not only is 8-9, but doesn't use the newly-discovered-to-be-possible 8-C WJ and +2 last room. Niftskis 8-9 is literally the exact room speed that I never thought I would see happen in the past. Shows how much expectations of certain times and certain tricks has changed.
- Kosmics 8-J is now 23rd, Tavens 8-6 is now apart of a 3 way tie for 8th, and there are now 16 44.3xx's
- "I'm I I'm I"
![[TAS] SMB1 AISSON in 4:38.275 WR](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Obawk8rkgD4/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] SMB1 AISSON in 4:38.275 WR
EDIT: I have since improved the 8-4 by 7 frames, and am gonna work on more time saves before uploading another TAS.
Title is RTA timing, TAS timing is 4:41.520
Improves previous TAS by about 1.1 seconds, not sure exactly where time saves come from, but probably 2-3 framerule saves and a better 8-4. the 8-4 is definitely improvable, and i have to slow down a frame in wall jump room to avoid getting cheeped. Turn around room inputs are happylees. A couple of the levels are definitely improvable by a couple frames, I have no idea how far any of the levels are from the next framerule. sorry for having 0 entertainment added in the TAS, I just whipped this out real quick in like an hour while the TAS WR was free.")
![[TAS] SMB2-J 8-1 in 9 A presses](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/P7SPDvkLrNc/hqdefault.jpg "[TAS] SMB2-J 8-1 in 9 A presses
The floor clip with the beetle might be doable in 0xA by bouncing on a bullet then the beetle then clipping in the floor, and there are definitely some time saves, but other than that, this is pretty good I think. Also wish i would have dont this on vanilla SMB2J, but i didnt want to redo all the rng stuff so eh pellsson rom is good enough I guess.
Watch me do RTA speedruns live at twitch.tv/kriller37")
