Uploaded January 2025 | Updated September 2026, 2 days ago
This week Noah Smith and economist Paul Krugman hopped on a call to discuss Paul's departure from the New York Times, the benefits of independent writing, U.S. manufacturing and industrial policy, geopolitics, Trump 2.0, and the impact of public opinion on economic and political discourse. This conversation first aired in Noah's substack Noahpinion, so be sure to subscribe if you aren't already. https://www.noahpinion.blog/
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https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/paul-krugman-and-noah-smith-have
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TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Intro
(01:48) Leaving The New York Times
(05:02) Challenges of traditional media
(06:45) Rise of Substack
(18:29) Sponsors: Netsuite | Notion
(20:41) Reflecting on the Reagan years
(30:58) Unleashing chaos: Impact of deportations
(31:54) Economic consequences of immigration policies
(32:33) Historical parallels: McCarthyism and the red scare
(34:38) Argentina's economic experiment
(36:04) America's economic resilience
(42:06) Sponsor: AdQuick
(43:01) Manufacturing and strategic sectors
(01:01:19) Role of industrial policy
(01:02:23) Substack and the future of intellectual discourse
(01:05:44) Wrap
This week Noah Smith and economist Paul Krugman hopped on a call to discuss Paul's departure from the New York Times, the benefits of independent writing, U.S. manufacturing and industrial policy, geopolitics, Trump 2.0, and the impact of public opinion on economic and political discourse. This conversation first aired in Noah's substack Noahpinion, so be sure to subscribe if you aren't already. https://www.noahpinion.blog/
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📝Notion offers powerful workflow and automation templates, perfect for streamlining processes and laying the groundwork for AI-driven automation. With Notion AI, you can search across thousands of documents from various platforms, generating highly relevant analysis and content tailored just for you - try it for free at notion.com/upstreampod
NetSuite
More than 41,000 businesses have already upgraded to NetSuite by Oracle, the #1 cloud financial system bringing accounting, financial management, inventory, HR, into ONE proven platform. Download the CFO's Guide to AI and Machine learning: netsuite.com/102
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SEND US YOUR Q's FOR NOAH TO ANSWER ON AIR: Econ102@Turpentine.co
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FOLLOW ON X:
@paulkrugman
@noahpinion
@eriktorenberg
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LINKS:
Noahpinion: https://www.noahpinion.blog/
https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/paul-krugman-and-noah-smith-have
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TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Intro
(01:48) Leaving The New York Times
(05:02) Challenges of traditional media
(06:45) Rise of Substack
(18:29) Sponsors: Netsuite | Notion
(20:41) Reflecting on the Reagan years
(30:58) Unleashing chaos: Impact of deportations
(31:54) Economic consequences of immigration policies
(32:33) Historical parallels: McCarthyism and the red scare
(34:38) Argentina's economic experiment
(36:04) America's economic resilience
(42:06) Sponsor: AdQuick
(43:01) Manufacturing and strategic sectors
(01:01:19) Role of industrial policy
(01:02:23) Substack and the future of intellectual discourse
(01:05:44) Wrap
