Mormon Stories Podcast | Mormon Church on Trial for History Fraud - Gaddy vs. LDS Church | Ep. 1944 @mormonstories | Uploaded September 2024 | Updated October 2024, 4 hours ago.
An oral argument at the tenth circuit was brought forth today in the case of Gaddy vs. The Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The argument is that the church hid its true history and that it lied about its use of tithing funds. The church representative made some shocking statements in both of these regards. Join us today as we discuss the arguments with attorney Kolby Reddish.
Recordings of the oral arguments are available for download here: ca10.uscourts.gov/oralargument/search
Show Notes: mormonstories.org/church-on-trial-history-fraud
00:00:00 Intro
00:01:24 Introducing the panelists
00:05:21 Summary of the three different tithing cases
00:11:20 Gaddy case explained
00:11:50 The complaint
00:17:30 RICO and the dismissal of the Gaddy case
00:22:00 Summary of the “intention to defraud”
00:27:00 Legal questions vs moral questions
00:29:16 Church Autonomy Doctrine (Bryce case)
00:30:40 Where does history end and matters of doctrine begin?
00:31:55 Background for the Bryce case - The church was teaching anti LGBTQ+ things
00:35:30 The start of the oral argument
00:40:20 Why does it matter if the church leaders believe the doctrine?
00:40:55 If the church leaders believe it, do they lose their lawsuit?
00:43:50 Kay Burningham’s argument
00:44:55 Questions that hint at intent
00:47:40 How far does this go?
00:52:34 Back to the audio of the case oral arguments
00:55:30 This is different than any church - The Correlation Committee
01:00:53 Audio - Tithing to have the full benefits of the Church
01:03:40 Quotes that say the Church is NOT using tithing to build the mall
01:05:55 Fraud in the law
01:10:30 Why Huntsmans lawsuit has legs
01:13:11 David Jordan speaking on behalf of the Church
01:16:40 What the plaintiffs are arguing
01:18:17 Reactions to the Church’s lawyer
01:20:55 What is the end result of this trial? What’s the downside here?
01:23:36 Audio - No limit to what churches can conceal?
01:26:52 Audio - The Church misleading them about tithing
01:29:20 The church’s definition of tithing
01:37:38 Mr. Jordan is trying to say Hinckley did NOT make misrepresentations
01:38:35 Audio - Kay Burningham’s final response
01:42:26 Why Elder Oaks says the Church cannot apologize
01:47:30 Audio - Packer saying they don’t have to tell all the truth
01:50:00 The big takeaways
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Our overall mission is to:
1. Facilitate informed consent amongst LDS Church members, investigators, and non-members regarding Mormon history, doctrine, and theology
2. Support Mormons (and members of other high-demand religions) who are experiencing a religious faith crisis
3. Promote healing, growth and community for those who choose to leave the LDS Church or other high demand religions
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An oral argument at the tenth circuit was brought forth today in the case of Gaddy vs. The Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The argument is that the church hid its true history and that it lied about its use of tithing funds. The church representative made some shocking statements in both of these regards. Join us today as we discuss the arguments with attorney Kolby Reddish.
Recordings of the oral arguments are available for download here: ca10.uscourts.gov/oralargument/search
Show Notes: mormonstories.org/church-on-trial-history-fraud
00:00:00 Intro
00:01:24 Introducing the panelists
00:05:21 Summary of the three different tithing cases
00:11:20 Gaddy case explained
00:11:50 The complaint
00:17:30 RICO and the dismissal of the Gaddy case
00:22:00 Summary of the “intention to defraud”
00:27:00 Legal questions vs moral questions
00:29:16 Church Autonomy Doctrine (Bryce case)
00:30:40 Where does history end and matters of doctrine begin?
00:31:55 Background for the Bryce case - The church was teaching anti LGBTQ+ things
00:35:30 The start of the oral argument
00:40:20 Why does it matter if the church leaders believe the doctrine?
00:40:55 If the church leaders believe it, do they lose their lawsuit?
00:43:50 Kay Burningham’s argument
00:44:55 Questions that hint at intent
00:47:40 How far does this go?
00:52:34 Back to the audio of the case oral arguments
00:55:30 This is different than any church - The Correlation Committee
01:00:53 Audio - Tithing to have the full benefits of the Church
01:03:40 Quotes that say the Church is NOT using tithing to build the mall
01:05:55 Fraud in the law
01:10:30 Why Huntsmans lawsuit has legs
01:13:11 David Jordan speaking on behalf of the Church
01:16:40 What the plaintiffs are arguing
01:18:17 Reactions to the Church’s lawyer
01:20:55 What is the end result of this trial? What’s the downside here?
01:23:36 Audio - No limit to what churches can conceal?
01:26:52 Audio - The Church misleading them about tithing
01:29:20 The church’s definition of tithing
01:37:38 Mr. Jordan is trying to say Hinckley did NOT make misrepresentations
01:38:35 Audio - Kay Burningham’s final response
01:42:26 Why Elder Oaks says the Church cannot apologize
01:47:30 Audio - Packer saying they don’t have to tell all the truth
01:50:00 The big takeaways
___________________
At Mormon Stories we explore, celebrate, and challenge Mormon culture through in-depth stories told by members and former members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as well as scholars, authors, LDS apologists, and other professionals.
Our overall mission is to:
1. Facilitate informed consent amongst LDS Church members, investigators, and non-members regarding Mormon history, doctrine, and theology
2. Support Mormons (and members of other high-demand religions) who are experiencing a religious faith crisis
3. Promote healing, growth and community for those who choose to leave the LDS Church or other high demand religions
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