Mormon Stories Podcast | ExMormon Sues Church to Get His Tithing Back - James Huntsman Appeals | Ep. 1946 @mormonstories | Uploaded September 2024 | Updated October 2024, 4 hours ago.
We are joined today by attorney Kolby Reddish to discuss the recent updates in the James Huntsman case against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Huntsman claimed the Church misused funds, alleging fraud and is seeking the return of millions of dollars of his voluntary contributions. This case could have national implications on how religious organizations use the voluntary contributions they receive from their members, and could impact how educational institutions and non-profits solicit voluntary contributions and invest some of those contributions for future use. Join us today as we discuss this groundbreaking case!
Show Notes: mormonstories.org/tithing-james-huntsman-appeals
Original oral argument: youtube.com/watch?v=ds0mK4pJ9YQ
00:00:00 Intro
00:06:00 Summary of Huntsman’s case
00:07:35 Summary of the three different cases
00:11:30 Feedback from believing member
00:13:50 Huntsman theory explained
00:16:35 Huntsman Procedure Explained
00:20:22 Relevant Facts in the Panel’s Decision
00:25:50 Today’s oral argument
00:30:32 Live hearing
00:34:06 The meaning of tithing
00:37:50 “This case has been misframed by the church”
00:43:18 Other statements made by the leaders
00:51:18 Where is the misrepresentation?
00:59:36 Paul Clement attorney for the church
01:05:20 Talking about the three buckets
01:11:25 The church’s autonomy doctrine
01:16:35 Explaining the money
01:21:22 The church saying they’re going to use church money
01:30:11 Huntsman’s lawyer for his last five minutes
01:33:55 The church set its own secular conditions for the money
01:37:44 The ending of the case
01:38:11 Comments on the case
01:48:05 Questions around the autonomy doctrine
01:48:05 Questions around the autonomy doctrine
01:51:25 A Church can always change it’s doctrine later
01:53:50 Who speaks for the church?
01:57:06 First Amendment question (Joined by a friend)
02:06:00 What is likely to happen next
02:09:25 Hinckley’s 2003 statement
02:13:55 Hinckley had intentions of misleading the members
02:16:35 The church made five statements on this
02:18:23 Presiding Bishop 2003 Statement
02:21:55 Ensign December 2006
02:26:55 The final statement 2012 “not one penny”
02:33:00 Views on Hinckley
02:34:35 Why were these five statements ever made?
02:37:00 The church admitted to co-mingling
02:41:05 James Huntsman's residency
02:47:00 Which attorney did better?
02:49:30 Who is more likely to win in the law
___________________
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We are joined today by attorney Kolby Reddish to discuss the recent updates in the James Huntsman case against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Huntsman claimed the Church misused funds, alleging fraud and is seeking the return of millions of dollars of his voluntary contributions. This case could have national implications on how religious organizations use the voluntary contributions they receive from their members, and could impact how educational institutions and non-profits solicit voluntary contributions and invest some of those contributions for future use. Join us today as we discuss this groundbreaking case!
Show Notes: mormonstories.org/tithing-james-huntsman-appeals
Original oral argument: youtube.com/watch?v=ds0mK4pJ9YQ
00:00:00 Intro
00:06:00 Summary of Huntsman’s case
00:07:35 Summary of the three different cases
00:11:30 Feedback from believing member
00:13:50 Huntsman theory explained
00:16:35 Huntsman Procedure Explained
00:20:22 Relevant Facts in the Panel’s Decision
00:25:50 Today’s oral argument
00:30:32 Live hearing
00:34:06 The meaning of tithing
00:37:50 “This case has been misframed by the church”
00:43:18 Other statements made by the leaders
00:51:18 Where is the misrepresentation?
00:59:36 Paul Clement attorney for the church
01:05:20 Talking about the three buckets
01:11:25 The church’s autonomy doctrine
01:16:35 Explaining the money
01:21:22 The church saying they’re going to use church money
01:30:11 Huntsman’s lawyer for his last five minutes
01:33:55 The church set its own secular conditions for the money
01:37:44 The ending of the case
01:38:11 Comments on the case
01:48:05 Questions around the autonomy doctrine
01:48:05 Questions around the autonomy doctrine
01:51:25 A Church can always change it’s doctrine later
01:53:50 Who speaks for the church?
01:57:06 First Amendment question (Joined by a friend)
02:06:00 What is likely to happen next
02:09:25 Hinckley’s 2003 statement
02:13:55 Hinckley had intentions of misleading the members
02:16:35 The church made five statements on this
02:18:23 Presiding Bishop 2003 Statement
02:21:55 Ensign December 2006
02:26:55 The final statement 2012 “not one penny”
02:33:00 Views on Hinckley
02:34:35 Why were these five statements ever made?
02:37:00 The church admitted to co-mingling
02:41:05 James Huntsman's residency
02:47:00 Which attorney did better?
02:49:30 Who is more likely to win in the law
___________________
At Mormon Stories we explore, celebrate, and challenge Mormon culture through in-depth stories told by members and former members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as well as scholars, authors, LDS apologists, and other professionals.
Our overall mission is to:
1. Facilitate informed consent amongst LDS Church members, investigators, and non-members regarding Mormon history, doctrine, and theology
2. Support Mormons (and members of other high-demand religions) who are experiencing a religious faith crisis
3. Promote healing, growth and community for those who choose to leave the LDS Church or other high demand religions
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