Misshappycatholic | Modesty Guidelines De-Bunked with Christine Niles @mrshappycatholic | Uploaded September 2023 | Updated October 2024, 10 hours ago.
Investigative reporter Christine Niles joins me once again for an overview of her illuminating research into Catholic modesty myths. What she found may surprise you!
Read the original letter by Cardinal Basilio Pompili: archive.org/details/circolare-alle-superiore-degli-istituti-religiosi-femminili/page/n1/mode/2up
Please support Christine's work!
https://stellamaris.media/
To contact Christine with any pertinent information: stellamarismedia@proton.me
Betty Hannah modest clothing site/store: bettyhannah.com
Ascension Press article quoted in the video (quoting Pope St. John Paul II/Karol Wojtyla's book "Love and Responsibility" - an excellent read): media.ascensionpress.com/2016/08/12/thinking-shame-modesty-catholic
Books referenced:
Worthy of Wearing: How Personal Style Expresses our Feminine Genius by Nicole Caruso
amazon.com/Worthy-Wearing-Personal-Expresses-Feminine/dp/1644133415
Man and Woman He Created Them: A Theology of the Body by Pope John Paul II
amazon.com/Man-Woman-He-Created-Them/dp/0819874213/ref=monarch_sidesheet
(Additional paper that I recommend on modesty and John Paul II's related teaching: https://digitalcommons.csbsju.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1005&context=sot_papers )
Pope St. Nicholas I (not Pius IX, like i thought, oops) on women wearing PANTS:
the document is "The Responses of Pope St. Nicholas I to the Questions of the Bulgars" (Letter 99), Chapter LVIIII, A.D. 866. The pertinent excerpt is below:
"We consider what you asked about pants (femoralia) to be irrelevant; for we do not wish the exterior style of your clothing to be changed, but rather the behavior of the inner man within you, nor do we desire to know what you are wearing except Christ — for however many of you have been baptized in Christ, have put on Christ [Gal. 3:27] — but rather how you are progressing in faith and good works. But since you ask concerning these matters in your simplicity, namely because you were afraid lest it be held against you as a sin, if you diverge in the slightest way from the custom of other Christians, and lest we seem to take anything away from your desire, we declare that in our books, pants (femoralia) are ordered to be made, not in order that women may use them, but that men may. But act now so that, just as you passed from the old to the new man, [cf. Eph. 4:22-24; Col. 3:9-10] you pass from your prior custom to ours in all things; but really do what you please. For whether you or your women wear or do not wear pants (femoralia) neither impedes your salvation nor leads to any increase of your virtue.
"Of course, because we have said that pants are ordered to be made, it should be noted that we put on pants spiritually, when we restrain the lust of the flesh through abstinence; for those places are constrained by pants in which the seats of luxury are known to be. This is why the first humans, when they felt illicit motions in their members after sin, ran into the leaves of a fig tree and wove loin cloths for themselves.[cf. Gen. 3:7] But these are spiritual pants, which you still could not bear, and, if I may speak with the Apostle, you are not yet able; for you are still carnal.[I Cor. 3:2] And thus we have said a few things on this matter, although, with God's gift, we could say many more."
Investigative reporter Christine Niles joins me once again for an overview of her illuminating research into Catholic modesty myths. What she found may surprise you!
Read the original letter by Cardinal Basilio Pompili: archive.org/details/circolare-alle-superiore-degli-istituti-religiosi-femminili/page/n1/mode/2up
Please support Christine's work!
https://stellamaris.media/
To contact Christine with any pertinent information: stellamarismedia@proton.me
Betty Hannah modest clothing site/store: bettyhannah.com
Ascension Press article quoted in the video (quoting Pope St. John Paul II/Karol Wojtyla's book "Love and Responsibility" - an excellent read): media.ascensionpress.com/2016/08/12/thinking-shame-modesty-catholic
Books referenced:
Worthy of Wearing: How Personal Style Expresses our Feminine Genius by Nicole Caruso
amazon.com/Worthy-Wearing-Personal-Expresses-Feminine/dp/1644133415
Man and Woman He Created Them: A Theology of the Body by Pope John Paul II
amazon.com/Man-Woman-He-Created-Them/dp/0819874213/ref=monarch_sidesheet
(Additional paper that I recommend on modesty and John Paul II's related teaching: https://digitalcommons.csbsju.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1005&context=sot_papers )
Pope St. Nicholas I (not Pius IX, like i thought, oops) on women wearing PANTS:
the document is "The Responses of Pope St. Nicholas I to the Questions of the Bulgars" (Letter 99), Chapter LVIIII, A.D. 866. The pertinent excerpt is below:
"We consider what you asked about pants (femoralia) to be irrelevant; for we do not wish the exterior style of your clothing to be changed, but rather the behavior of the inner man within you, nor do we desire to know what you are wearing except Christ — for however many of you have been baptized in Christ, have put on Christ [Gal. 3:27] — but rather how you are progressing in faith and good works. But since you ask concerning these matters in your simplicity, namely because you were afraid lest it be held against you as a sin, if you diverge in the slightest way from the custom of other Christians, and lest we seem to take anything away from your desire, we declare that in our books, pants (femoralia) are ordered to be made, not in order that women may use them, but that men may. But act now so that, just as you passed from the old to the new man, [cf. Eph. 4:22-24; Col. 3:9-10] you pass from your prior custom to ours in all things; but really do what you please. For whether you or your women wear or do not wear pants (femoralia) neither impedes your salvation nor leads to any increase of your virtue.
"Of course, because we have said that pants are ordered to be made, it should be noted that we put on pants spiritually, when we restrain the lust of the flesh through abstinence; for those places are constrained by pants in which the seats of luxury are known to be. This is why the first humans, when they felt illicit motions in their members after sin, ran into the leaves of a fig tree and wove loin cloths for themselves.[cf. Gen. 3:7] But these are spiritual pants, which you still could not bear, and, if I may speak with the Apostle, you are not yet able; for you are still carnal.[I Cor. 3:2] And thus we have said a few things on this matter, although, with God's gift, we could say many more."
