Uploaded January 2026 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago
“Let it go” can sound holy—until you’re holding a life you can’t release.
Kate Bowler and Father Richard Rohr talk about the push-pull of wanting to unclench and needing to hold on, especially when pain is loud.
A conversation about love that isn’t earned, spirituality that isn’t a ladder, and why presence is hard—yet still possible in small, ordinary moments.
“Let it go” can sound holy—until you’re holding a life you can’t release.
Kate Bowler and Father Richard Rohr talk about the push-pull of wanting to unclench and needing to hold on, especially when pain is loud.
A conversation about love that isn’t earned, spirituality that isn’t a ladder, and why presence is hard—yet still possible in small, ordinary moments.
