Uploaded March 2026 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago
If you’ve been living in the “and… and… and…” of compounding stress, this conversation puts language to the fog.
Kate Bowler and Katherine May (author of Wintering and Enchantment) talk about how uncertainty trains us to leave our bodies—and how small, grounded rituals (like holding a stone) can help you return to yourself without forcing fake optimism.
If you’ve been living in the “and… and… and…” of compounding stress, this conversation puts language to the fog.
Kate Bowler and Katherine May (author of Wintering and Enchantment) talk about how uncertainty trains us to leave our bodies—and how small, grounded rituals (like holding a stone) can help you return to yourself without forcing fake optimism.
