Uploaded May 2020 | Updated September 2026, 1 hour ago
Roughly 144k SP
Still kinda sloppy, but better boosts. Altered my line a little based on the WR, but since I got to 8th with my own strats I felt like I'd earned the right to learn a thing or two from someone else's run :P
I feel a little better about my D06 run now as well. Yeah, I took a lot of information from riolu's run, but I've taken into consideration with runs where I used someone else's ghost is whether or not I think I could pull off as good of a run as I have without having a ghost as a guide. I think I probably could pull off something similar on D06 even without a ghost now that I've learned it (I needed the ghost to learn it, but now I've got it and can do it on my own). It would be absolutely obnoxious, but I could do it. I still want to come up with some original fast ideas, but I guess I can say it's not nothing like I thought it was. It's an accomplishment I suppose :)
I'm referring to my thoughts I gave in the description of this video: youtu.be/F07iUkHirSw
Roughly 144k SP
Still kinda sloppy, but better boosts. Altered my line a little based on the WR, but since I got to 8th with my own strats I felt like I'd earned the right to learn a thing or two from someone else's run :P
I feel a little better about my D06 run now as well. Yeah, I took a lot of information from riolu's run, but I've taken into consideration with runs where I used someone else's ghost is whether or not I think I could pull off as good of a run as I have without having a ghost as a guide. I think I probably could pull off something similar on D06 even without a ghost now that I've learned it (I needed the ghost to learn it, but now I've got it and can do it on my own). It would be absolutely obnoxious, but I could do it. I still want to come up with some original fast ideas, but I guess I can say it's not nothing like I thought it was. It's an accomplishment I suppose :)
I'm referring to my thoughts I gave in the description of this video: youtu.be/F07iUkHirSw
![Actual Turnback Cave Music - Pokémon Diamond and Pearl (Spring Path, Sendoff Spring) [Read Desc.]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ac8XIBEGtIA/mqdefault.jpg "Actual Turnback Cave Music - Pokémon Diamond and Pearl (Spring Path, Sendoff Spring) [Read Desc.]
Update: Found this, possibly related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5fr8DFnWGU
I havent seen this information really documented anywhere except for like 2 YouTube comments (kinda), so I experimented with it myself. Im pretty confident that I have a solid understanding of this. So, to finally clear up confusion, heres an explanation.
Before someone comments, The music that plays when you get to the Spring Path is the same as the Old Chateau, no it is not. They are different. Very slightly different. As in, I think one instrument is missing from this version of the theme. Regardless, it is still different. Dont believe me? Pay attention to the part from 0:38 to 1:01, then open the Old Chateau music in another tab and compare the same part. There is something noticeably missing. You can also pull out your own copy of Diamond or Pearl (not Platinum) and go to the Spring Path to compare it to the Old Chateau music.
However, the audio files arent actually different, as far as Im aware. You can tell this because if you save anywhere beyond the Spring Path and then restart the game, the music that plays is identical to the Old Chateau. Same thing if you surf in the spring. The music will stop (like with the well-documented Spring Path music glitch), and when you step back onto land the music will be identical to the Old Chateau. The audio file is the same (if my hypothesis is correct). Its just that when you enter the Spring Path, the audio glitches for some reason. This is probably why there isnt a rip of Turnback Caves music anywhere on YouTube, or at least not one thats any different than what you hear at the Old Chateau; its because the audio file is the exact same one. I recorded this audio while playing Pokémon Diamond rather than ripping it from the games files or something.
The developers must have noticed this glitch as they were making Platinum, since its patched in that version.
Hopefully this clears up some confusion. As for why this happens, I dont really know. I only really have one guess, but its a total guess. The music that plays at Spring Path/Sendoff Spring is different in Platinum, and the theme only plays in Turnback Cave. Maybe its possible that the Old Chateau Music wasnt supposed to play outside of Turnback Cave in Diamond and Pearl either. Maybe the Spring Path and Sendoff Spring were just supposed to play the Route 210 theme like in Platinum, but they messed up and selected two songs to play there, and they conflicted, hence the glitch. Sounds a bit Farfetchd, but thats all Ive got. If anyone has any ideas, let me know. I dont think its a coincidence that these two glitches are connected to the same place, I think its pretty obvious that theyre connected somehow. If theres one thing I want to come out of this, its for someone to find out what really causes this to happen.
Does this really matter that much? Maybe not, but I think its odd that I couldnt find any good documentation of this. The Spring Path silence glitch thats also connected to this area is HEAVILY documented, yet this isnt, despite the fact that it comes up during regular gameplay? I cant be the only person thats taken the time to examine this. If anyone finds some good documentation that includes all of this, or if someone more knowledgeable than I wants to correct the record about something Ive said, let me know.
Thats all the important stuff. As a quick little side note, I personally find this version to be just a little creepier. The normal version sounds a little cheesier to me with its more prominent ghost-like sounds. This one feels a little more serious and a little bit more empty. I know thats a bit silly; this is technically just an inferior version of the song, but what can I say - I played this game as a kid, and the little quirks stick with me :P I just really love either version of this theme in general. Love me a good creepy theme.
Small update: For those that might be wondering if the Darkrai event at the Harbor Inn also has this glitch, it does not. It just plays the normal version of the theme. Figured Id check juuuust in case. I guess that strengthens my theory a bit, but thats probably just a long shot anyway.
Update 2: As previously stated, the Darkrai event doesnt produce this glitched theme, but awesomelink234 and Beau Ackley have brought up in the comments that tweaking to Newmoon Island does. I havent tested this myself, but I found a video that seems to confirm this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU7V1fEEwuo (dont recommend trying yourself unless you know what youre doing)
Interesting development, probably shoots my old theory of why it happens in the foot :P")
