Karl North: Post-doom with Michael Dowd @thegreatstory

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This conversation with Karl North was recorded in September 2019. For more information about Karl, see his excellent website: karlnorth.com -- "Eco-Intelligence: systems thinking learning and design tools for a sustainable future".

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$Richard Heinberg: Post-doom with Michael Dowd Richard Heinberg interviewed by Michael Dowd in an episode of Dowds Post-doom Conversations, filmed the autumn of 2019. Title: Living the Limits to Growth 00:16 - PREVIEWS 03:00 - MD (Michael Dowd): Doom is the midpoint between denial and regeneration — with or without us. Post-doom is the space that opens up when we remember who we are, accept whats inevitable, and invest in what is pro-future and soul-nourishing. 04:33 - RH (Richard Heinberg) - summarizes his work as a writer, mostly on environmental subjects, sustainability, Post-Carbon Institute, peak oil, climate, limits to growth paradigm. 06:56 - MD: speaks of his learnings from Heinbergs writings; queries on terminology preferences 08:09 - RH: terms he uses: overshoot (Catton), collapse, historical cycles (Turchin) 10:03 - MD Q: heart of this series is recounting your journey in worldview shifts 11:44 - RH: tells his story: early exploration of spirituality, eastern religions, then anthropology for diversity of human possibilites and limitations; our species predicament; role of religion 15:48 - MD: Edward Goldsmith writings (lifeways) and Ronald Wright (progress traps) 18:08 - RH: story continues; focus on fossil fuels effects on society and destruction 20:10 - MD: shared mentorship by the late Jay Hanson (overshoot loop); Walter Youngquist 20:42 - RH: learnings from Goldsmith, Youngquist, Hanson, Catton; fracking studies 23:14 - RH: shift in focus of Post-Carbon Institute to climate change; economic constraints 24:12 - MD: role in helping 2nd edition of Walter Youngquists GeoDestinies 25:14 - MD Q: How has the larger perspective of life history informed you? 25:52 - RH: Big Picture is background, not foreground except now for Fermi Paradox. His own solution to the paradox is that fossil fuel equivalents inherently promote overuse, overshoot, collapse (or conscious self-limitation). 28:51 - MD: We wrongly attribute advanced and progress to things that will be our undoing. 29:52 - RH: Human language that abstracts us from reality is unique and dangerous 31:18 - MD: Walter Ong on orality to literacy shift; Paul Kingsnorth 32:02 - RH: writings as the primordial technology of language, then mechanized power 33:04 - MD: Thomas Berry critiqued the environment language 33:46 - RH: that the economy takes precedence is understandable yet dangerous 34:28 - MD Q: What is your understanding of human nature in our societal predicament? 34:44 - RH: writing now about consequences of Maximum Power Principle in evolution; promotes instead intentional adoption of an Optimum Power Principle 38:50 - RH: need to give up economic growth (Johan Rockstrom, Herman Daly); also reduce population — yet these are thoughts that cant be entertained. 40:55 - MD Q: How have you emotionally dealt with your sense of societal contraction? 41:29 - RH: Ive had a generally pessimistic view of the human prospect my whole adult life, since first reading The Limits to Growth in 1972. My whole adult life Ive spent in the place where Greta Thunberg is. ... Of course one still has hopes ... celebrate the little victories. 43:00 RH: his story of emergency evacuation in 2017 owing to Calif wildfire 46:40 MD Q: What is beyond our control and where can we still make a difference? 47:03 RH: We dont need to know the answer. How in 1970s deeply affected by Hindu story of Krishna and Arjuna ... Life is a battlefield. Enter it and take selfless action. Do good for goods sake. Dont be attached to the results. 50:22 MD Q: Gifts experienced on the other side of the post-doom doorway? 50:59 RH: Most regenerative is connecting with other people who share his perspective; also his playing the violin, If human life is worth preserving, then we should focus on what makes it worth preserving ... actions that produce great beauty. Youtube playlist of all Post-Doom video conversations: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcAlqMeyeaW91q0fUuOWHKEaGTCL41ItE Post-Doom Conversations website (videos, audios, and resources): https://www.postdoom.com/ Richard Heinbergs website: https://richardheinberg.com/ PostCarbon Institute: https://www.postcarbon.org/$

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