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In this episode, Rachel welcomes back Renee Swanson, host of the Covert Narcissism Podcast, to discuss the often-invisible impact of covert narcissistic relationships. Renee explains why self-reflective people can internalize blame, how emotional and psychological threats affect the body, and why anger, hypervigilance, fear, obligation, and guilt can keep people trapped. Rachel and Renee also examine narcissistic rage, manipulation, isolation, remorse, and the difficulty of identifying subtle abuse. They close by exploring how survivors can recognize red flags within themselves, rebuild trust in their own feelings, and begin healing before entering new relationships.
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In this episode, Rachel welcomes back Renee Swanson, host of the Covert Narcissism Podcast, to discuss the often-invisible impact of covert narcissistic relationships. Renee explains why self-reflective people can internalize blame, how emotional and psychological threats affect the body, and why anger, hypervigilance, fear, obligation, and guilt can keep people trapped. Rachel and Renee also examine narcissistic rage, manipulation, isolation, remorse, and the difficulty of identifying subtle abuse. They close by exploring how survivors can recognize red flags within themselves, rebuild trust in their own feelings, and begin healing before entering new relationships.
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![IndoctriNation - Shame-Sex Attraction with Dr. Lucas Wilson
In this episode, Dr. Lucas Wilson shares his personal journey and academic exploration of Holocaust studies and conversion therapy. He discusses his experiences growing up, his struggle with faith and sexuality, and his in-depth research on the intergenerational transmission of trauma. Dr. Wilson also provides a detailed account of his time at Liberty University, his attempts to change his sexual orientation through conversion therapy, and the profound impact these experiences had on his life. This compelling conversation delves into the complex interplay of religion, identity, and trauma, offering valuable perspectives for anyone interested in understanding the long-lasting effects of oppressive religious practices.
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- Facebook: (https://www.facebook.com/luke.wilson.96)https://www.facebook.com/luke.wilson.96 (https://www.facebook.com/luke.wilson.96)
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- Shame-Sex Attraction: (https://bookshop.org/p/books/shame-sex-attraction-survivors-stories-of-conversion-therapy-lucas-wilson/5f133f339779ddb5?ean=9781805011323&next=t)https://bookshop.org/p/books/shame-sex-attraction-survivors-stories-of-conversion-therapy-lucas-wilson/5f133f339779ddb5?ean=9781805011323&next=t& (https://bookshop.org/p/books/shame-sex-attraction-survivors-stories-of-conversion-therapy-lucas-wilson/5f133f339779ddb5?ean=9781805011323&next=t) (for those in the U.S.)
- At Home with the Holocaust: (https://www.rutgersuniversitypress.org/at-home-with-the-holocaust/9781978839816/)https://www.rutgersuniversitypress.org/at-home-with-the-holocaust/9781978839816/ (https://www.rutgersuniversitypress.org/at-home-with-the-holocaust/9781978839816/)
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The following is the 20% discount code for Shame-Sex Attraction: “WILSON20” (but the discount is only available through Jessica Kingsley Publishers and the University of British Columbia Press websites [the discount code does not apply to the links included above]). For those in the United States, this code can be used on Jessica Kingsley Publishers U.S. website (https://us.jkp.com/ (https://us.jkp.com/)), and for those in Canada, the code can be used on the University of British Columbia Press website (https://www.ubcpress.ca/shame-sex-attraction (https://www.ubcpress.ca/shame-sex-attraction)).
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