Uploaded August 2026 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago

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Jonah Goldberg scratches an intellectual itch in this 90-minute interview with British historian Edward Shawcross to discuss the rise and fall of Napoleon III. Is this the start of modern politics? Can we compare Trump to this unlikely political victor? Are elites and foreign powers the favorite boogeymen of populists everywhere? Stay tuned for a brief history lesson and indulgent wonkery.

Show Notes:
thedispatch.com/podcast/remnant/no-not-that-napoleon-interview-edward-shawcross