Uploaded August 2026 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago

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Steve Hayes is joined by Jonah Goldberg, Kevin Williamson, and Mike Warren to discuss the U.S. crossing the $40 trillion debt threshold and the prospect of “growing our way out of it.”

The Agenda:
—Kevin explains how we got here
—Entitlement spending
—What would Paul Ryan do
—The DOGE effort
—Growing our way out of debt
—NWYT: Adulthood disappointments

Show notes:
thedispatch.com/podcast/dispatch-podcast/how-the-u-s-racked-up-its-40-trillion-debt