Uploaded December 2025 | Updated September 2026, 1 week ago
In Episode 42 of Between Two Dumbbells, Dr. Marv sits down with Geoffrey Schofield (GVS) to break down one of the most misunderstood topics in bodybuilding: How different is training for natural vs. enhanced lifters—really?
This is the collaboration you never you knew you wanted!
We dig into why the actual differences are minimal, why both naturals and enhanced athletes still need to train close to failure, and why intensity—not endless volume—is the real driver of muscle growth. This conversation cuts through the noise to show just how hard it is to build muscle regardless of enhancement status.
We also put GVS on the spot to address the fake natty accusations he’s dealt with over the years and let him clarify his stance once and for all.
Between Two Dumbbells is built to give lifters the real conversations that actually move the needle—debates, disagreements, and deep dives into biomechanics, hypertrophy, and performance, not another echo chamber where everyone nods along.
00:00 Between Two Dumbbells // Episode 42 // GVS
00:01 Coming Up Today
00:30 Today's Questions
01:00 Natty Vs Gear'd Up Training
01:24 Who Is GVS?
01:51 Skip's Posit - Should Training Be Different For Natty Bros?
02:07 Geoff's Opinion On Natty vs Gear'd Training
04:06 Marv's Update From The Strongman Olympics
04:39 Marv Weighs In On Natty vs Gear'd Training
05:37 Skip's Early Experiences With The Gas
07:30 Geoff's Background
09:05 The Failure Discussion
15:40 Reach Out To Skip!
17:20 Skip's Experience Training Natural Competitors
25:15 Geoff's Opinion On Lifting Studies
29:42 The Only Thing Skip Hasn't Done
34:00 The Importance Of Correct Biomechanics
38:10 Marv On Building The Base
46:43 Periodization: More Suited For Natty Or Geared Lifters?
54:25 Off Is TRT These Days
57:01 Does It Bother Geoff Being Called A Fake Natty?
1:03:20 Marv - It Takes Time, And Not Six Months
1:05:50 Did Anyone Ever Accuse Geoff Of Being A Fake Natty In Person?
1:07:18 Intimate Time With GVS
1:22:50 We Out!
This is for entertainment and education only, this is NOT direct medical advice.
Dr. Christopher (MARV) Marvin DC has been involved in health, wellness and fitness for over 18 years. He earned his Bachelor of Science in Exercise Science from Sonoma State University and his Doctor of Chiropractic from Palmer College West in San Jose, California as class valedictorian. Dr. Marv is the owner of Coastal Performance Chiropractic in Houston Bay Area. He also currently offers telemedicine video calls and nutrition coaching through the office for all TX residents. Dr. Marv recently launched The Educated Meathead that will be developed over the course of this year. Currently the website has his first online course, seminar recordings, CUSTOM workout programs, workout programs via subscription, and consults (he cannot legally diagnose non-TX residents with that option but still provide therapeutic exercise and nutrition/lifestyle recommendation).
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In Episode 42 of Between Two Dumbbells, Dr. Marv sits down with Geoffrey Schofield (GVS) to break down one of the most misunderstood topics in bodybuilding: How different is training for natural vs. enhanced lifters—really?
This is the collaboration you never you knew you wanted!
We dig into why the actual differences are minimal, why both naturals and enhanced athletes still need to train close to failure, and why intensity—not endless volume—is the real driver of muscle growth. This conversation cuts through the noise to show just how hard it is to build muscle regardless of enhancement status.
We also put GVS on the spot to address the fake natty accusations he’s dealt with over the years and let him clarify his stance once and for all.
Between Two Dumbbells is built to give lifters the real conversations that actually move the needle—debates, disagreements, and deep dives into biomechanics, hypertrophy, and performance, not another echo chamber where everyone nods along.
00:00 Between Two Dumbbells // Episode 42 // GVS
00:01 Coming Up Today
00:30 Today's Questions
01:00 Natty Vs Gear'd Up Training
01:24 Who Is GVS?
01:51 Skip's Posit - Should Training Be Different For Natty Bros?
02:07 Geoff's Opinion On Natty vs Gear'd Training
04:06 Marv's Update From The Strongman Olympics
04:39 Marv Weighs In On Natty vs Gear'd Training
05:37 Skip's Early Experiences With The Gas
07:30 Geoff's Background
09:05 The Failure Discussion
15:40 Reach Out To Skip!
17:20 Skip's Experience Training Natural Competitors
25:15 Geoff's Opinion On Lifting Studies
29:42 The Only Thing Skip Hasn't Done
34:00 The Importance Of Correct Biomechanics
38:10 Marv On Building The Base
46:43 Periodization: More Suited For Natty Or Geared Lifters?
54:25 Off Is TRT These Days
57:01 Does It Bother Geoff Being Called A Fake Natty?
1:03:20 Marv - It Takes Time, And Not Six Months
1:05:50 Did Anyone Ever Accuse Geoff Of Being A Fake Natty In Person?
1:07:18 Intimate Time With GVS
1:22:50 We Out!
This is for entertainment and education only, this is NOT direct medical advice.
Dr. Christopher (MARV) Marvin DC has been involved in health, wellness and fitness for over 18 years. He earned his Bachelor of Science in Exercise Science from Sonoma State University and his Doctor of Chiropractic from Palmer College West in San Jose, California as class valedictorian. Dr. Marv is the owner of Coastal Performance Chiropractic in Houston Bay Area. He also currently offers telemedicine video calls and nutrition coaching through the office for all TX residents. Dr. Marv recently launched The Educated Meathead that will be developed over the course of this year. Currently the website has his first online course, seminar recordings, CUSTOM workout programs, workout programs via subscription, and consults (he cannot legally diagnose non-TX residents with that option but still provide therapeutic exercise and nutrition/lifestyle recommendation).
SOCIALS
instagram.com/dr.marvin.saysdc
instagram.com/theeducatedmeathead_com
WEBSITE:
TheEducatedMeathead.com
WORKOUT PROGRAMS, CONSULTS, SEMINAR RECORDINGS
coastalperformancechiro.com PERFORMANCE CHIROPRACTIC IN HOUSTON BAY AREA, TELEMEDICINE & NUTRITION COACHING FOR ANY TX RESIDENT
ONLINE COURSE - BODYBUILDING ANATOMY & MEATHEAD BIOMECHANICS 101christopher-s-site-c9c9.thinkific.com/products/courses/bodybuilding-anatomy-course
PROMO CODES/PRODUCTS I ENDORSE:
Fullscript (DISCOUNT supplements GUARANTEED by Manufacturer): us.fullscript.com/welcome/drmarvindc
Amazon Approved Products List - coastalperformancechiro.com/coastal-performance-chiro-approved-products
Compression Therapy System
rapidreboot.com - PROMO CODE: DRMARVINSAYS (or use direct link in my bio)
Microlight Cold Laser Therapy - reach out to me directly to get a discounted rate/referral (you don't have to be a doc to buy one!)
BFR hpluscuff.com - PROMO CODE: DrMarvinSays (can even use your HSA/FSA for this FDA approved device)
Toe Pro
humanlocomotion.com/?hl=drmarvinsays - PROMO CODE: marvin-saysdc10
Gym Pin
gym-pin.com / - PROMO CODE: DrMarvinSaysDC
True Nutrition (PROTEIN & MORE!)
truenutrition.com / - PROMO CODE: DrMarvinSays..
OTC Supps – Rock’s Discounts Vitamins & Supps (29 TX stores) PROMO CODE: Dr. MarvinSays (or just drop my name at any of the 30 Rock’s Discount Vitamins & Supps stores all over Texas)
Gym
snapfitness.com/us/gyms/s ... - Mention myself & Coastal Performance Chiropractic at signup
https://dungeongym.live / - PROMO CODE: DrMarvinSays (applies to MOST membership options)
