Uploaded September 2025 | Updated September 2026, 3 weeks ago

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0:00 The Bob-Paul secret sauce—spilled!
3:25 Mickey Kaus's latest contribution to Epsteinology
13:04 Paul fact-checks Mickey, gets fact-checked
19:51 What’s better: AI or indoor plumbing?
28:42 What Gary Marcus gets right—and (very) wrong—about AI
37:45 Has TV made us smarter?
41:49 The pros of the Google antitrust ruling
48:28 Putin’s paleo-transhumanism
53:05 Heading to Overtime

Discussed in Overtime:
Over- and under-rated podcasts.
Bob indicts Paul for pedagogical malpractice.
Bob and Paul on drugs.
Is there a method to Florida’s anti-vax madness?
Bob reminisces about cancer journey.
Vaccine anxiety vs AI anxiety vs China anxiety.
Andor, South Park, and not much ado about Trump.
A few words about viral evolution.

Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Paul Bloom (https://smallpotatoes.paulbloom.net, University of Toronto, The Sweet Spot, Against Empathy). Recorded September 04, 2025.

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