Uploaded October 2025 | Updated September 2026, 19 hours ago

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Matt Swaim talks to former Protestant pastors Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard about one of the most important questions a Christian can ask: what is the Gospel?

As a Baptist pastor, Ken Hensley began to discover that his Reformation-inspired understanding of faith being rewarded by salvation, and followed by obedience, didn't match up with the pattern he saw in the Old Testament, of faith, followed by obedience, and then reward.

He shares how this began to shift his thinking as to what the Bible really taught about what it means to be saved.

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