Zero Master | Doom II: Sunder - Map 17 (Archives of the Technomancer) UV-Max in 1:38:41 @ZeroMaster | Uploaded February 2022 | Updated October 2024, 2 hours ago.
Runner: Zero-Master
Date: 2022-02-18
IWAD: Doom2.wad
PWAD: Sunder 2407.wad
Category: UV-Max
Map: 17 (Archives of the Technomancer)
Source Port: DSDA-Doom v0.24.1
Time: 1:38:41
Description:
Somehow nearly 100 minutes feels short after map 16.
When I did my last practice attempt with saves/loads and only died once to a cyberdemon pair I realized this probably wouldn't take very long to get. The route was also already done when I finished map 16.
Only a small part of the final fight here is what I'm afraid of, which is the 4th and last run to one of the teleporter rooms as I have to run by a lot of arachnotrons and there are random cyberdemons everywhere.
From my first playthrough some time ago I mostly remembered the crushers... can't imagine anyone getting to this part and enjoying it the first time. I also thought it would be incredibly annoying in a max run, but it turns out with a slow approach where you know where most of the monsters are it's not nearly as bad as I expected. Honestly I think it's perfectly fine at this point and I kind of enjoy taking risk running through the crushers, of course I'm a bit more cautious in a single segment run though.
3 more levels to go.
Comments about the run:
Went mostly as expected, time is about 10 minutes slower than practice with save/load which is normal.
Didn't even see the 2nd cyberdemon by the BFG when I attempted to kill the first one. Fortunate not to take a surprise rocket there.
While I was trying to kill the 4 cyberdemons after BFG section the sound really messed with me. So the BFG use here is a complete disaster as I was basically paranoid about them being right around the corner all the time, but it's ok since there's so many cells anyways.
Cacodemon horde fight went ok, but the route could probably have been better with more rocket use. Still have to wait for the cacodemons to teleport in though so the fastest strategy would be to just leave immediately and come back later (and the last switch here can be activated through the wall after pressing only the first switch).
What didn't go as expected was falling off by the short platforming section. Another one of those moments where I just hope I die at some point so nobody has to see it. At least I didn't fall into the inescapable pit first.
The big room with the 2 large platforms went mostly ok until the last phase of it. I missed some BFGs and got hit by a couple of arch-viles and a max roll hell knight projectile and all of the sudden I was low on health.
Ammo management in the crusher section was ok, didn't have any problems with ammo. Could of course used more BFG if I wanted to be a bit faster.
Final fight went well, accidentally picked up the last megasphere, but it didn't matter at that point.
Route/Strategy:
pastebin.com/v4VMjesm
Runner: Zero-Master
Date: 2022-02-18
IWAD: Doom2.wad
PWAD: Sunder 2407.wad
Category: UV-Max
Map: 17 (Archives of the Technomancer)
Source Port: DSDA-Doom v0.24.1
Time: 1:38:41
Description:
Somehow nearly 100 minutes feels short after map 16.
When I did my last practice attempt with saves/loads and only died once to a cyberdemon pair I realized this probably wouldn't take very long to get. The route was also already done when I finished map 16.
Only a small part of the final fight here is what I'm afraid of, which is the 4th and last run to one of the teleporter rooms as I have to run by a lot of arachnotrons and there are random cyberdemons everywhere.
From my first playthrough some time ago I mostly remembered the crushers... can't imagine anyone getting to this part and enjoying it the first time. I also thought it would be incredibly annoying in a max run, but it turns out with a slow approach where you know where most of the monsters are it's not nearly as bad as I expected. Honestly I think it's perfectly fine at this point and I kind of enjoy taking risk running through the crushers, of course I'm a bit more cautious in a single segment run though.
3 more levels to go.
Comments about the run:
Went mostly as expected, time is about 10 minutes slower than practice with save/load which is normal.
Didn't even see the 2nd cyberdemon by the BFG when I attempted to kill the first one. Fortunate not to take a surprise rocket there.
While I was trying to kill the 4 cyberdemons after BFG section the sound really messed with me. So the BFG use here is a complete disaster as I was basically paranoid about them being right around the corner all the time, but it's ok since there's so many cells anyways.
Cacodemon horde fight went ok, but the route could probably have been better with more rocket use. Still have to wait for the cacodemons to teleport in though so the fastest strategy would be to just leave immediately and come back later (and the last switch here can be activated through the wall after pressing only the first switch).
What didn't go as expected was falling off by the short platforming section. Another one of those moments where I just hope I die at some point so nobody has to see it. At least I didn't fall into the inescapable pit first.
The big room with the 2 large platforms went mostly ok until the last phase of it. I missed some BFGs and got hit by a couple of arch-viles and a max roll hell knight projectile and all of the sudden I was low on health.
Ammo management in the crusher section was ok, didn't have any problems with ammo. Could of course used more BFG if I wanted to be a bit faster.
Final fight went well, accidentally picked up the last megasphere, but it didn't matter at that point.
Route/Strategy:
pastebin.com/v4VMjesm
![Doom II: Nuts 100% Kills - 85 Revenants vs 850 Cyberdemons [TAS]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/b2Hx8RGxiPI/hqdefault.jpg "Doom II: Nuts 100% Kills - 85 Revenants vs 850 Cyberdemons [TAS]
This is a Tool-Assisted Speedrun!
Nuts by B.P.R.D contains 10617 monsters in two rooms and is almost unplayable as a result. It is featured in Doomworld’s Top 10 Infamous WADs and also in their Top 100 Most Memorable Maps, placing 4th.
Pain. I started working on this 4 months ago...
This video is in 2 segments for reasons explained below, the second part starts at 17:16.
This is the first true UV-Max completion of this level, where 100% kills and 100% secrets (0 out of 0 in this case) is achieved. The issue with maxing this level is that even with really good infighting and perfect ammo management you are left with roughly 800 cyberdemons at 4000 health each and nothing besides your fists, which deals 2-20 damage per hit, to kill them with.
The monsters can do some damage to the cyberdemons through infighting, most notably the arch-viles, but eventually they get destroyed by the splash damage.
Any monster on the upper area that attacks the cyberdemons are also quickly killed off, so there is only one solution: gather up enough homing revenant rockets to tear through all the cyberdemons. So how many do we need exactly? 850 cyberdemon at 4000 health where revenants rockets do an average of 45 damage, that means we need to simply gather up at least 70000 rockets, great! ... Theres just one more problem, while this is an incredibly easy task to do, it should take roughly 5 hours of circling revenants before youve got enough.
5 hours isnt too bad, sure, but thats in game time, unfortunately the game runs a bit slower once the rockets start to pile up... to the point where you are moving 0.5 seconds every minute!
So in real time it takes about 23 days to gather the rockets, which would be extremely boring to do. Luckily the upper area is really large, so what I did was take a segment where I circle the area, copy the inputs and insert them multiple times into the demo so that its nearly 6 hours long and then simply let my laptop play through the demo for 23 days before I then take control! So nobody, including myself, have actually seen what happens between 30 minutes and 340 minutes.
Then of course the fun part begins, where you are moving 4 frames every 14 seconds to guide the rockets to the cyberdemons. Theres a few places where I do some weird things like take damage for no reason, which is because of just horrible controls (I cant even move backwards) and doing it over again takes at least 30 minutes, so I left it like that. I would have tried to make it a bit better looking, but putting in effort to do that would have driven me mad, so itll have to do. It took roughly 20 hours to do 10 minutes, needless to say that is just an awful experience. Then there was another 25 days or so of waiting to create the video.
At the start you have to help the revenants out by killing the barons, as the barons would win easily. The part between roughly 14:55 to 16:10 is repeated/copied until I have enough projectiles.
This can be done non-TAS, you just need an actual super computer optimized to play doom and about 6 hours.
What an absolute waste of my time this has been, hopefully youll enjoy this more than I did.")
