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Did LDS prophets knowingly deny the existence of a revelation they had previously acknowledged?
In this episode of A Logical Deconstruction of Mormonism, we examine one of the most remarkable and troubling contradictions in LDS history: the 1886 John Taylor Revelation.
According to the document, Church President John Taylor received a revelation declaring that plural marriage was part of God's eternal law and could never be revoked. Yet only four years later, the 1890 Manifesto announced the end of official Church-sanctioned polygamy.
The story becomes even more complicated in 1933 when the First Presidency publicly stated that there was "no such revelation" and no evidence that it had ever been given.
But historical records tell a different story.
At the 1911 disciplinary trial of John W. Taylor, multiple Church leaders openly discussed the revelation, acknowledged that copies existed, and examined them. Joseph Fielding Smith stated that he personally obtained a copy and placed it in the Church Historian's Office.
Among the leaders involved were Heber J. Grant, A. W. Ivins, George Albert Smith, David O. McKay, and Joseph Fielding Smith—the very men who would later occupy some of the highest leadership positions in the Church.
In this episode we explore:
• The 1886 John Taylor Revelation
• The 1890 Manifesto ending official plural marriage
• The 1911 John W. Taylor disciplinary trial
• Testimony that copies of the revelation existed and were preserved
• The 1933 First Presidency denial
• The role of Heber J. Grant, A. W. Ivins, George Albert Smith, David O. McKay, and Joseph Fielding Smith
• The implications for prophetic authority, revelation, and institutional trust
The central question is straightforward:
If Church leaders previously acknowledged and preserved the revelation, why did they later publicly deny its existence?
"A Logical Deconstruction of Mormonism" and all of my other books are available on Amazon in Kindle, Paperback, and Audible formats
amazon.com/stores/Bill-Reel/author/B0H1NLJLP6
Also if anyone needs extra support as they work through their faith deconstruction, I am a certified Somatic Informed Trauma Coach and you can look into my work at awakenandthrive.org
#Mormonism #LDS #ChurchHistory #JohnTaylor #Polygamy #1886Revelation #Manifesto #JosephFieldingSmith #DavidOMcKay #HeberJGrant #ExMormon #MormonDiscussion #FaithCrisis #LogicalDeconstruction
Did LDS prophets knowingly deny the existence of a revelation they had previously acknowledged?
In this episode of A Logical Deconstruction of Mormonism, we examine one of the most remarkable and troubling contradictions in LDS history: the 1886 John Taylor Revelation.
According to the document, Church President John Taylor received a revelation declaring that plural marriage was part of God's eternal law and could never be revoked. Yet only four years later, the 1890 Manifesto announced the end of official Church-sanctioned polygamy.
The story becomes even more complicated in 1933 when the First Presidency publicly stated that there was "no such revelation" and no evidence that it had ever been given.
But historical records tell a different story.
At the 1911 disciplinary trial of John W. Taylor, multiple Church leaders openly discussed the revelation, acknowledged that copies existed, and examined them. Joseph Fielding Smith stated that he personally obtained a copy and placed it in the Church Historian's Office.
Among the leaders involved were Heber J. Grant, A. W. Ivins, George Albert Smith, David O. McKay, and Joseph Fielding Smith—the very men who would later occupy some of the highest leadership positions in the Church.
In this episode we explore:
• The 1886 John Taylor Revelation
• The 1890 Manifesto ending official plural marriage
• The 1911 John W. Taylor disciplinary trial
• Testimony that copies of the revelation existed and were preserved
• The 1933 First Presidency denial
• The role of Heber J. Grant, A. W. Ivins, George Albert Smith, David O. McKay, and Joseph Fielding Smith
• The implications for prophetic authority, revelation, and institutional trust
The central question is straightforward:
If Church leaders previously acknowledged and preserved the revelation, why did they later publicly deny its existence?
"A Logical Deconstruction of Mormonism" and all of my other books are available on Amazon in Kindle, Paperback, and Audible formats
amazon.com/stores/Bill-Reel/author/B0H1NLJLP6
Also if anyone needs extra support as they work through their faith deconstruction, I am a certified Somatic Informed Trauma Coach and you can look into my work at awakenandthrive.org
#Mormonism #LDS #ChurchHistory #JohnTaylor #Polygamy #1886Revelation #Manifesto #JosephFieldingSmith #DavidOMcKay #HeberJGrant #ExMormon #MormonDiscussion #FaithCrisis #LogicalDeconstruction
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This time the LDS Church has gone too far! Lying to its membership is one thing, because the members know better than to criticize the leaders of the Church, even if the criticism is true. But this is in a court of law! Judges are not famous for taking it well when lawyers lie to their face. Well have to see what happens in this lawsuit once that realization starts sinking in! Here it is. The whole story of how the LDS Church just got caught lying in their lawsuit against John Dehlin! (This podcast contains material previously released on the 8-31-26 Mormon Newcast; substantially streamlined through editing for your pleasure.) [RFM 478]
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RFM was a Mormon apologist 40-years ago, and as part of that ended up writing a paper on Lehis Dream that was published in The Journal of Book of Mormon Studies. It is an important paper that continues to be cited by Mormon apologists in various publications and formats, even as recently as March of 2026, long after I have slipped the surly bonds of Mormonism, and reached out to touch the face of RFM. This is an important part of my story, and how it is that a dream I had when I was younger came true; but only in the strangest and most unlikely of ways! [RFM 465]
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RFM blows up one of the most popular apologist theories for how the Book of Mormon can still be divinely inspired . . . even though it contains indisputable elements from Joseph Smiths 19th Century environment. Its called The Expansion Theory. It was created by Blake Ostler. And Mr. Ostler is not going to be happy about the thrashing RFM gives his theory. After this episode, the only thing that will be left of Ostlers Expansion Theory is a mushroom-shaped cloud on the horizon. Dont miss this one! [RFM 443]
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