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What if collapse could also be the beginning of renewal?
On this episode of The Club of Rome Podcast, Till Kellerhoff speaks with award-winning investigative journalist Nafeez Ahmed and environmental educator Ginie Servant-Miklos, both members of The Club of Rome, about why collapse might not be an ending, but a turning point, part of a once-in-a-civilisation transition in how humanity lives and organises itself.
As the age of fossil fuels and endless growth reaches its limits, they connect the psychological, energy and information dimensions of our world and discuss how our current “normality” is fracturing, fueling political instability, climate chaos and collapsing social trust.
Yet, within this turbulence, they stress that new shoots of renewal are emerging: from the rapid growth of renewable energy to new thinking in economics and education.
Rather than predicting inevitable collapse, they show how disruption can open pathways not only for risk, but for renewal, in our societies, economies and states of mind.
Nafeez Ahmed is a bestselling author and systems theorist whose work bridges geopolitics, ecology and social transformation. He is Director of Investigations and Strategic Impact at Byline Times and his latest book is “Alt Reich: The Network War to Destroy the West from Within”.
Find out more about Nafeez: clubofrome.org/member/ahmed-nafeez
Ginie Servant-Miklos is a writer and Assistant Professor at Erasmus University Rotterdam focused on psychology, learning and cultural change. Her latest book is “Pedagogies of Collapse: A Hopeful Education for The End”.
Find out more about Ginie: clubofrome.org/member/miklos-ginie
What if collapse could also be the beginning of renewal?
On this episode of The Club of Rome Podcast, Till Kellerhoff speaks with award-winning investigative journalist Nafeez Ahmed and environmental educator Ginie Servant-Miklos, both members of The Club of Rome, about why collapse might not be an ending, but a turning point, part of a once-in-a-civilisation transition in how humanity lives and organises itself.
As the age of fossil fuels and endless growth reaches its limits, they connect the psychological, energy and information dimensions of our world and discuss how our current “normality” is fracturing, fueling political instability, climate chaos and collapsing social trust.
Yet, within this turbulence, they stress that new shoots of renewal are emerging: from the rapid growth of renewable energy to new thinking in economics and education.
Rather than predicting inevitable collapse, they show how disruption can open pathways not only for risk, but for renewal, in our societies, economies and states of mind.
Nafeez Ahmed is a bestselling author and systems theorist whose work bridges geopolitics, ecology and social transformation. He is Director of Investigations and Strategic Impact at Byline Times and his latest book is “Alt Reich: The Network War to Destroy the West from Within”.
Find out more about Nafeez: clubofrome.org/member/ahmed-nafeez
Ginie Servant-Miklos is a writer and Assistant Professor at Erasmus University Rotterdam focused on psychology, learning and cultural change. Her latest book is “Pedagogies of Collapse: A Hopeful Education for The End”.
Find out more about Ginie: clubofrome.org/member/miklos-ginie
