thegreatstory | Carolyn Baker: Post-doom with Michael Dowd @thegreatstory | Uploaded September 2019 | Updated October 2024, 9 minutes ago.
Carolyn Baker conversed with host Michael Dowd on 27 August 2019. Topics are linked by their timecodes:
00:09 Title: "We Are So Fortunate"
00:14 Previews (3 total; 90 seconds)
01:45 Michael Dowd (MD) gives brief intro of Carolyn Baker, incl her books
02:59 Carolyn Baker (CB) speaks of her current work and "wakeup" in 2007
03:47 MD: Question - What terms do you use to refer to a deteriorating future?
04:30 CB: Wake-up was watching the film "What a Way to Go" in 2007
04:41 CB" "Collapse of industrial civilization" (convergence of problems)
04:57 CB: "Climate catastrophe" and "climate trauma"
05:11 CB: most recent term and topic is "Planetary Rite of Passage"
05:22 CB: how rite of passage concept is apt and helpful for our predicament
06:59 MD: Question - Share your personal story of waking up in detail?
07:42 CB: journey into "interspirituality"; Jungian therapy and training
10:08 CB: wrote first book on collapse i2009; then life and leadership coaching
10:48 MD: Q - What tools have supported you emotionally in your shifts?
11:48 CB: Jungian therapy is central (importance of making the "descent")
13:01 CB: indigenous wisdom; importance of rites of passage
13:53 MD: concerns about anthropocentrism; beliefs must be useful
15:03 CB: people know something is wrong, but not all know what it is
15:34 MD: Q - How do you interpret how humanity got to this place?
16:08 CB: Natural state of humans is inherent wisdom, but we rejected it
17:00 CB: Are we willing to be remade as a species thru rite of passage ordeal?
17:22 MD: "Prodigal species" is another useful metaphor
18:21 MD: Q - Is the big-picture story. epic of evolution, helpful to you?
19:00 CB: Yes to Joanna Macy and Thomas Berry grounding in deep time
19:29 CB: The greater story shows us this time is a "sacred demise"
19:54 CB: The greater story includes impermanence and death; Life is eternal
20:18 CB: cites wisdom of Stephen Jenkinson: "Die Wise"
20:34 CB: Grief work can yield meaning and joy, deeper love and gratitude
21:22 MD: refers to Macy and to Jenkinson and to Loyal Rue (on death)
23:36 CB: importance of being with all emotions; quotes Mary Oliver
25:48 CB: Grief is not to be recovered from; it is a doorway to meaning
26:19 CB: need small groups for grieving this demise
26:43 CB: LaUra Schmidt and Aimee Lewis-Reau: "Good Grief Network"
26:58 MD: yes, Schmidt and Lewis-Reau will be interviewed by Dowd
27:14 MD: Q - Say more about the term "interspiritual" and its importance
27:27 CB: Spirituality are practices that help us feel connected with Reality
29:03 MD: Importance of having a personal relationship with the living world
29:25 MD: Quotes Thomas Berry
30:05 CB: Mirabai Starr helps with interspirituality
30:34 MD: Ecology must be the heart of any theology; personification is crucial
31:30 MD: Quotes James Hillman on importance of personification, myth
32:03 MD: Q - On the other side of the post-doom doorway, what are the gifts?
32:41 CB: most important work is to hold both interpretations of WASF together
"We are so f...ed. Yet we are also so fortunate" - both are true
32:21 CB: It is far too late for many things, incl stopping climate catastrophe
34:34 CB: But it's not too late to "deeply adapt" (cites Jem Bendell)
34:44 CB: Most important is to understand we are in a planetary rite of passage
35:05 CB: Her collaboration with Andrew Harvey: "follow your heartbreak"
35:50 CB: importance of the work of Richard Rohr: "action and contemplation"
36:26 CB: grief work can lead to or enhance activism; skill of grieving is crucial
37:00 MD: "Amen, sister!" Dowd already interviewed Richard Rohr on post-doom
37:54 CB: Final thoughts: "We are so fortunate!"; carries both grief and gratitude
38:40 CB: Access her work through carolynbaker.net
All "Post-Doom Conversations" accessed through postdoom.com
Carolyn Baker conversed with host Michael Dowd on 27 August 2019. Topics are linked by their timecodes:
00:09 Title: "We Are So Fortunate"
00:14 Previews (3 total; 90 seconds)
01:45 Michael Dowd (MD) gives brief intro of Carolyn Baker, incl her books
02:59 Carolyn Baker (CB) speaks of her current work and "wakeup" in 2007
03:47 MD: Question - What terms do you use to refer to a deteriorating future?
04:30 CB: Wake-up was watching the film "What a Way to Go" in 2007
04:41 CB" "Collapse of industrial civilization" (convergence of problems)
04:57 CB: "Climate catastrophe" and "climate trauma"
05:11 CB: most recent term and topic is "Planetary Rite of Passage"
05:22 CB: how rite of passage concept is apt and helpful for our predicament
06:59 MD: Question - Share your personal story of waking up in detail?
07:42 CB: journey into "interspirituality"; Jungian therapy and training
10:08 CB: wrote first book on collapse i2009; then life and leadership coaching
10:48 MD: Q - What tools have supported you emotionally in your shifts?
11:48 CB: Jungian therapy is central (importance of making the "descent")
13:01 CB: indigenous wisdom; importance of rites of passage
13:53 MD: concerns about anthropocentrism; beliefs must be useful
15:03 CB: people know something is wrong, but not all know what it is
15:34 MD: Q - How do you interpret how humanity got to this place?
16:08 CB: Natural state of humans is inherent wisdom, but we rejected it
17:00 CB: Are we willing to be remade as a species thru rite of passage ordeal?
17:22 MD: "Prodigal species" is another useful metaphor
18:21 MD: Q - Is the big-picture story. epic of evolution, helpful to you?
19:00 CB: Yes to Joanna Macy and Thomas Berry grounding in deep time
19:29 CB: The greater story shows us this time is a "sacred demise"
19:54 CB: The greater story includes impermanence and death; Life is eternal
20:18 CB: cites wisdom of Stephen Jenkinson: "Die Wise"
20:34 CB: Grief work can yield meaning and joy, deeper love and gratitude
21:22 MD: refers to Macy and to Jenkinson and to Loyal Rue (on death)
23:36 CB: importance of being with all emotions; quotes Mary Oliver
25:48 CB: Grief is not to be recovered from; it is a doorway to meaning
26:19 CB: need small groups for grieving this demise
26:43 CB: LaUra Schmidt and Aimee Lewis-Reau: "Good Grief Network"
26:58 MD: yes, Schmidt and Lewis-Reau will be interviewed by Dowd
27:14 MD: Q - Say more about the term "interspiritual" and its importance
27:27 CB: Spirituality are practices that help us feel connected with Reality
29:03 MD: Importance of having a personal relationship with the living world
29:25 MD: Quotes Thomas Berry
30:05 CB: Mirabai Starr helps with interspirituality
30:34 MD: Ecology must be the heart of any theology; personification is crucial
31:30 MD: Quotes James Hillman on importance of personification, myth
32:03 MD: Q - On the other side of the post-doom doorway, what are the gifts?
32:41 CB: most important work is to hold both interpretations of WASF together
"We are so f...ed. Yet we are also so fortunate" - both are true
32:21 CB: It is far too late for many things, incl stopping climate catastrophe
34:34 CB: But it's not too late to "deeply adapt" (cites Jem Bendell)
34:44 CB: Most important is to understand we are in a planetary rite of passage
35:05 CB: Her collaboration with Andrew Harvey: "follow your heartbreak"
35:50 CB: importance of the work of Richard Rohr: "action and contemplation"
36:26 CB: grief work can lead to or enhance activism; skill of grieving is crucial
37:00 MD: "Amen, sister!" Dowd already interviewed Richard Rohr on post-doom
37:54 CB: Final thoughts: "We are so fortunate!"; carries both grief and gratitude
38:40 CB: Access her work through carolynbaker.net
All "Post-Doom Conversations" accessed through postdoom.com
