Uploaded December 2025 | Updated September 2026, 1 week ago

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Fifteen years in, it can still feel like “we’re just getting started.”

Michelle Zatlyn, co-founder of Cloudflare, returns to Grit with Joubin Mirzadegan to share how Cloudflare secures the internet for millions, with a vision built to last generations.

She also shares why staying close to reality and to customers becomes harder as success compounds, and how Cloudflare is helping content creators regain control in an AI driven internet.

Guest: Michelle Zatlyn, co-founder and President of Cloudflare

Connect with Michelle Zatlyn
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LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/michellezatlyn

Connect with Joubin
X: https://x.com/Joubinmir
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/joubin-mirzadegan-66186854
Email: grit@kleinerperkins.com

​Learn more about Kleiner Perkins: kleinerperkins.com

00:00 Introduction
01:43 CloudFlare's journey
03:36 Leadership takeaways
27:16 Customer Interaction
29:29 Perks and realities
36:07 First-generation wealth
40:30 AI's impact