Uploaded February 2026 | Updated September 2026, 8 hours ago
You can say, eat and do all the right things to become a healthier human being and can still get sick if you don’t go deeper into your soul and truly live good health from the inside outward.
In this week’s tag-team conversation this week on Spirit Gym between Paul and Dr. Nick Dawe, Nathan Siles and Ryan Barraclough, you’ll discover that some of the best things you can do to achieve greater health are completely free and why finding the middle path matters.
Check out Biotra: An Approach to Healthy Living in a Modern World, the book written by Nick, Ryan and Nathan, on Amazon at amzn.to/43xqv6A , the Biotra website at https://biotra.com.au/ and Instagram at instagram.com/biotra.official .
Find out more about Nathan at Biospectral Systems at biospectralsystems.com and Instagram at instagram.com/nathan.siles . Learn more about Nick’s approaches to healthier living on Substack at drnickdawe.substack.com . Check our Ryan’s work at his website at ryanbarraclough.co and the Embodied Man Institute at theembodiedmaninstitute.com .
For Spirit Gym listeners: Save 15 percent on Biospectral Blue Light Blocking Glasses at Nathan’s Biospectral Systems website at biospectralsystems.com by using the code SPIRITGYM when you checkout. (Special offers from Spirit Gym guests are time-sensitive and at their discretion to redeem after 30 days.)
0:00 Intro
5:56 “You can be as healthy as you want, but if you hate yourself, you’re [not healthy].”
10:57 Natural intelligence versus artificial intelligence.
22:20 Nick’s passion — exploring and understanding the deepest codes of how human movement originates — mirrors what led Paul to the development of CHEK Totem Pole and his Primal Pattern™ movement system.
34:23 Nathan’s mission with Biotra: Illuminating the invisible and explaining to the modern world why chronic diseases and many athletic injuries are happening that surprise people.
41:18 Why do healthy people become sick?
53:32 Helping people find the middle path.
1:05:31 The core principle of Biotra: The gentle weaving of biophysics, biomechanics and psycho-spirituality.
1:11:37 Biophysics: How life moves energy and information.
1:26:18 Energy, coherence and safety.
1:34:46 The Building Biology Institute.
1:49:22 The sun which provides a full spectrum of light is the only reason any living thing (including humans) is here.
1:59:27 The ocean, the field, the animal and the song of movement.
2:08:14 “Being fixated on being healthy is inherently unhealthy.”
2:15:16 Ego: The nexus of ideas and beliefs that create a sense of self.
2:31:43 The most accessible things you can do to improve your health: Watch the morning sunrise, create a sleep routine and eat during daylight hours.
Listen to Paul's conversation with Dr. Nick Dawe, Nathan Siles and Ryan Barrclough and check out the show notes page on our Spirit Gym website at paulchek.com/blog/podcast-episodes/384-being-enlightened-doesnt-matter-if-youre-still-an-asshole-with-dr-nick-dawe-nathan-siles-and-ryan-barraclough
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Music Credit: Meet Your Heroes (444Hz), Composed, mixed, mastered and produced by Michael RB Schwartz of Brave Bear Music miketheschwartz.com
You can say, eat and do all the right things to become a healthier human being and can still get sick if you don’t go deeper into your soul and truly live good health from the inside outward.
In this week’s tag-team conversation this week on Spirit Gym between Paul and Dr. Nick Dawe, Nathan Siles and Ryan Barraclough, you’ll discover that some of the best things you can do to achieve greater health are completely free and why finding the middle path matters.
Check out Biotra: An Approach to Healthy Living in a Modern World, the book written by Nick, Ryan and Nathan, on Amazon at amzn.to/43xqv6A , the Biotra website at https://biotra.com.au/ and Instagram at instagram.com/biotra.official .
Find out more about Nathan at Biospectral Systems at biospectralsystems.com and Instagram at instagram.com/nathan.siles . Learn more about Nick’s approaches to healthier living on Substack at drnickdawe.substack.com . Check our Ryan’s work at his website at ryanbarraclough.co and the Embodied Man Institute at theembodiedmaninstitute.com .
For Spirit Gym listeners: Save 15 percent on Biospectral Blue Light Blocking Glasses at Nathan’s Biospectral Systems website at biospectralsystems.com by using the code SPIRITGYM when you checkout. (Special offers from Spirit Gym guests are time-sensitive and at their discretion to redeem after 30 days.)
0:00 Intro
5:56 “You can be as healthy as you want, but if you hate yourself, you’re [not healthy].”
10:57 Natural intelligence versus artificial intelligence.
22:20 Nick’s passion — exploring and understanding the deepest codes of how human movement originates — mirrors what led Paul to the development of CHEK Totem Pole and his Primal Pattern™ movement system.
34:23 Nathan’s mission with Biotra: Illuminating the invisible and explaining to the modern world why chronic diseases and many athletic injuries are happening that surprise people.
41:18 Why do healthy people become sick?
53:32 Helping people find the middle path.
1:05:31 The core principle of Biotra: The gentle weaving of biophysics, biomechanics and psycho-spirituality.
1:11:37 Biophysics: How life moves energy and information.
1:26:18 Energy, coherence and safety.
1:34:46 The Building Biology Institute.
1:49:22 The sun which provides a full spectrum of light is the only reason any living thing (including humans) is here.
1:59:27 The ocean, the field, the animal and the song of movement.
2:08:14 “Being fixated on being healthy is inherently unhealthy.”
2:15:16 Ego: The nexus of ideas and beliefs that create a sense of self.
2:31:43 The most accessible things you can do to improve your health: Watch the morning sunrise, create a sleep routine and eat during daylight hours.
Listen to Paul's conversation with Dr. Nick Dawe, Nathan Siles and Ryan Barrclough and check out the show notes page on our Spirit Gym website at paulchek.com/blog/podcast-episodes/384-being-enlightened-doesnt-matter-if-youre-still-an-asshole-with-dr-nick-dawe-nathan-siles-and-ryan-barraclough
Thanks to our awesome sponsors!
• BIOptimizers bioptimizers.com/spiritgym (save an extra 15% on your purchase by using the code PAUL15 at checkout)
• Wild Pastures wildpastures.com/paulchek (save 20% and free shipping for life plus $15 on your first order)
• Organifi organifi.com/chek20 (save 20% on your purchase by using the code CHEK20 at checkout)
• Pique Life piquelife.com/paulchek (save up to 20% for life and get a FREE starter kit when you subscribe to one or more of Pique’s amazing beverages!)
• CHEK Institute paul.chekinstitute.com (sign up for Holistic Lifestyle Coach Level 1 Live in March!)
• Korrect korrectlife.com/spiritgym (save 15% on the newest drink supplement by Aubrey Marcus by using the code SPIRITGYM at checkout)
• Paleovalley paleovalley.com/chek15 (save 15% on your first purchase)
We may earn commissions from qualifying purchases using affiliate links.
Music Credit: Meet Your Heroes (444Hz), Composed, mixed, mastered and produced by Michael RB Schwartz of Brave Bear Music miketheschwartz.com
