Uploaded October 2025 | Updated September 2026, 1 week ago

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Most founders panic when key people leave. Matt Mullenweg designed a system where they have to.

At Automattic, every employee takes a months-long sabbatical every five years, a policy that might seem risky, but one Matt believes makes the company stronger.

Find out how in the full episode with Joubin Mirzadegan. Link in comments.