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One of Joker’s big twist occurs when Arthur’s “dates” Sophie only to find out that those flirty conversations and their eventual hookup were completely in his imagination. When Arthur has transformed into the Joker and “visits” Sophie (read: breaks into her apartment), Sophie is terrified. She barely knows Arthur and only recognizes him as some guy who lives down the hall.

Distraught, Arthur returns home and enters Sophie's apartment unannounced. Frightened, Sophie tells him to leave; their relationship was merely a figment of Arthur's imagination. The following day, Arthur kills Penny at the hospital.

In Joker, directed by Todd Phillips, the origin story of Gotham City’s notorious villain is explored through the dark journey of a failed comedian, Arthur Fleck. While Arthur struggles in his job as a clown-for-hire, he falls in love with a pretty neighbor, a single mother named Sophie (Zazie Beetz).

Sophie’s time in the movie ends when Arthur her. The movie then cuts to Arthur in the hallway, on his way to appear on The Murray Franklin Show. Because of the tricky way visual storytelling and editing works, the ambiguity of what Arthur did to Sophie makes us fill in the blanks. And with a story like Joker, we might fill in very, very dark things.

Now, in a video interview with IndieWire shared on Monday, director Todd Phillips confirms that a deleted scene made it clear just what happened to Sophie after Arthur’s break-in. While the final cut of the movie gives viewers room to think that Arthur killed her, a deleted scene had Sophie watching her creep neighbor on TV, where he shoots Murray Franklin (Robert de Niro) live on the air.

“He doesn’t kill her, definitively,” Phillips said. “As the filmmaker and the writer I am saying he doesn’t kill her.”

He further explains that the scene is a “litmus test” for the audience to ask themselves questions about Arthur. “We like the idea that it’s almost like a litmus test for the audience to say, ‘How crazy is he?’ Most people that I’ve spoken to think he didn’t kill her because they understand the idea that he only kills people that did him wrong. She had nothing to do with it. Most people understood that, even as a villain, he was living by a certain code.”

He added, “Of course he didn’t kill this woman down the hall.”


Arthur Fleck (Joker) is an aspiring stand-up comic. He tries to be funny, but he doesn’t succeed. He has mental health issues, part of which involves uncontrollable laughter. Times are tough and, due to his issues and occupation, Arthur has an even worse time than most. Over time these issues bear down on him, shaping his actions, making him ultimately take on the persona he is more known as...Joker.

Director: Todd Phillips
Writers: Todd Phillips, Scott Silver
Cast: Joaquin Phoenix (Arthur Fleck \ Joker), Robert De Niro (Murray Franklin), Zazie Beetz (Sophie Dumond), Frances Conroy (Penny Fleck), Brett Cullen (Thomas Wayne), Shea Whigham (Detective Burke), Bill Camp (Detective Garrity), Glenn Fleshler (Randall), Leigh Gill (Gary)

Production Companies:
BRON Studios (in association with) (as BRON Creative)
DC Entertainment
DC Comics
Creative Wealth Media Finance
Joint Effort
Village Roadshow Pictures (in association with)
Warner Bros.


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