Uploaded August 2024 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago
In this episode of Book Overflow, Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups interview Apple Design Award Winner Devin Davies! Devin won the Apple Design Award for his recipe app Crouton, which was featured prominently by the Wall Street Journal for its creative use of the visionOS platform. In keeping with the podcast theme of continuous education, Devin tells the story of how he started Crouton, what he needed to learn to create it, and how he learned it.
This episode is a little outside of our usual fare, so please let us know in the comments if you'd like more of them!
00:00 Intro
03:12 What was the motivation to create Crouton?
05:51 How did you get started in iOS development?
08:11 Porting Crouton to Apple Vision Pro
12:25 Outcome Driven Continuous Learning
15:44 What is the first app you've ever built?
18:49 Transitioning from UIKit to SwiftUI
22:23 Working on Crouton and winning the Apple Design Award
27:57 Perseverance and Time, and saying "Yes." and Education
32:06 Sources of motivation and building a sense of taste
35:02 Contextual Design and Thoughts on Apple Watch
39:34 Taking the Slow Path and Transitioning to Full Time on Crouton
42:11 Closing Thoughts
Resources mentioned in the podcast:
hackingwithswift.com
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Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week!
The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at bookoverflow.io
In this episode of Book Overflow, Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups interview Apple Design Award Winner Devin Davies! Devin won the Apple Design Award for his recipe app Crouton, which was featured prominently by the Wall Street Journal for its creative use of the visionOS platform. In keeping with the podcast theme of continuous education, Devin tells the story of how he started Crouton, what he needed to learn to create it, and how he learned it.
This episode is a little outside of our usual fare, so please let us know in the comments if you'd like more of them!
00:00 Intro
03:12 What was the motivation to create Crouton?
05:51 How did you get started in iOS development?
08:11 Porting Crouton to Apple Vision Pro
12:25 Outcome Driven Continuous Learning
15:44 What is the first app you've ever built?
18:49 Transitioning from UIKit to SwiftUI
22:23 Working on Crouton and winning the Apple Design Award
27:57 Perseverance and Time, and saying "Yes." and Education
32:06 Sources of motivation and building a sense of taste
35:02 Contextual Design and Thoughts on Apple Watch
39:34 Taking the Slow Path and Transitioning to Full Time on Crouton
42:11 Closing Thoughts
Resources mentioned in the podcast:
hackingwithswift.com
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Join our Discord Server: discord.gg/ZwS2fqW7ZZ
Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/5kj6DLCEWR5nHShlSYJI5L
Apple Podcasts: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/book-overflow/id1745257325
X: https://x.com/bookoverflowpod
Carter on X: https://x.com/cartermorgan
Nathan's newsletter rojoroboto.com/newletter
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Book Overflow is a podcast for software engineers, by software engineers dedicated to improving our craft by reading the best technical books in the world. Join Carter Morgan and Nathan Toups as they read and discuss a new technical book each week!
The full book schedule and links to every major podcast player can be found at bookoverflow.io
