Uploaded June 2026 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago
Cory Doctorow has a refrain: “The most important thing about a gadget isn’t what it does; it’s who it does it for and what it does it to.” In this episode of “Galaxy Brain,” he sits down with Charlie Warzel to talk about the AI boom, making the case that the hype, vision, and dreams of endless growth are unsustainable. Doctorow expands on his viral “enshittification” thesis: a critique of AI based around power and whether we are using AI tools or being used by them.
This episode of "Galaxy Brain" was produced by Renee Klahr and engineered by Miguel Carrascal. Our theme is by Rob Smierciak. Hadley Robinson is our senior supervising producer. Claudine Ebeid is the executive producer of Atlantic audio, and Andrea Valdez is our managing editor.
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00:00 Intro
03:21 Interview with Cory Doctorow
06:03 What Is a Reverse Centaur?
09:21 Why the AI Bubble Is Bigger
13:49 Boss Psychology and Power
18:10 Is AI Actually Profitable?
22:14 Air Canada and the AI Accountability Sink
29:29 Puncturing the AI Bubble
35:46 Material Limits to AI Hype
39:54 AI, Oligarchy, and Democracy
43:20 Closing Thoughts and Credits
Cory Doctorow has a refrain: “The most important thing about a gadget isn’t what it does; it’s who it does it for and what it does it to.” In this episode of “Galaxy Brain,” he sits down with Charlie Warzel to talk about the AI boom, making the case that the hype, vision, and dreams of endless growth are unsustainable. Doctorow expands on his viral “enshittification” thesis: a critique of AI based around power and whether we are using AI tools or being used by them.
This episode of "Galaxy Brain" was produced by Renee Klahr and engineered by Miguel Carrascal. Our theme is by Rob Smierciak. Hadley Robinson is our senior supervising producer. Claudine Ebeid is the executive producer of Atlantic audio, and Andrea Valdez is our managing editor.
Subscribe to the “Galaxy Brain” newsletter: theatlantic.com/newsletters/sign-up/galaxy-brain/?utm_source=podcast-warzel
Subscribe to the “Galaxy Brain” podcast on Apple Podcasts: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/galaxy-brain/id1378618386
Subscribe to the “Galaxy Brain” podcast on Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/542WHgdiDTJhEjn1Py4J7n
Follow The Atlantic on Instagram: instagram.com/theatlantic/?hl=en
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00:00 Intro
03:21 Interview with Cory Doctorow
06:03 What Is a Reverse Centaur?
09:21 Why the AI Bubble Is Bigger
13:49 Boss Psychology and Power
18:10 Is AI Actually Profitable?
22:14 Air Canada and the AI Accountability Sink
29:29 Puncturing the AI Bubble
35:46 Material Limits to AI Hype
39:54 AI, Oligarchy, and Democracy
43:20 Closing Thoughts and Credits
