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A common piece of advice for those who are chronically online is to “go touch grass.” This upcoming season of How To, co-hosts Natalie Brennan and Julie Beck will look more closely at the often-fraught, always-changing relationship people have with technology. They’ll explore how people can be more intentional with their devices, rebuild their attention span, and find a way to thrive in this fast-paced, image-driven culture.
Episodes will feature personal experimentation and conversations with experts in anxiety, education, and new technology.
The first episode of How to Touch Grass publishes Monday, July 27, and new episodes are released every Monday for five weeks. Subscribe now.
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A common piece of advice for those who are chronically online is to “go touch grass.” This upcoming season of How To, co-hosts Natalie Brennan and Julie Beck will look more closely at the often-fraught, always-changing relationship people have with technology. They’ll explore how people can be more intentional with their devices, rebuild their attention span, and find a way to thrive in this fast-paced, image-driven culture.
Episodes will feature personal experimentation and conversations with experts in anxiety, education, and new technology.
The first episode of How to Touch Grass publishes Monday, July 27, and new episodes are released every Monday for five weeks. Subscribe now.
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices (podcastchoices.com/adchoices)



![Bill Gates Changes His Mind on AI
Bill Gates has generally been an AI optimist. Three years ago, he wrote that AI had downsides, but the risks were “manageable.” This week, Gates wrote a new memo, headlined: “The Turbulent AI Era Is Here. The Choices We Make Now Are Critical.”
He joins the show to raise the alarm about the dangers he sees in artificial intelligence—economic upheaval, social unrest, cyberattacks, bioterrorism—and most crucial, what he sees as a failure of experts and governments to take these threats seriously enough.
“The lack of dialogue with all parts of society is kind of deafening silence,” he tells Hanna Rosin. “Anyone who analogizes AI as a technology to other technologies is missing that this time is different. And saying something is different, there’s a very high bar for that, but I’m staking whatever reputation I have [on] saying this time is different.”
They have a wide-ranging conversation about his evolving views on AI and what he misjudged in his interactions with Jeffrey Epstein.
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00:00 Introduction and Why AI Feels Different
01:26 Gates’s Tone Shift on AI
07:14 Bioterror and Cyber Risks
09:23 Why AI Regulation Lags
11:36 Jobs and Human-Reserved Work
17:23 China and Industry Limits
20:48 Epstein and Reputation
26:32 Can We Regulate AI?
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