Uploaded July 2025 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago

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Full conversation: nonzero.org/p/a-journey-into-the-new-cold-war-nonzero

0:00 Why Neysun brings American students and scholars to China
2:40 Visiting China after Covid
4:52 Balancing US and Chinese red lines
10:38 When Neysun's students pushed Chinese officials on human rights
13:44 Do US students fear career risks for going to China?
15:43 Cultivating cognitive empathy
18:26 China's obsession with US politics
20:29 Trump's surprisingly consistent approach to Beijing
26:21 Are Chinese students really spies?
31:21 Is China studies becoming the next Kremlinology?
35:12 How Neysun navigates US fears about exchange with China

Discussed in Overtime:
A surprisingly pragmatic US ambassador in Beijing.
Rare earths, export controls, and China’s big lever.
Why China always thinks about America first.
Neysun to fellow scholars: Don't miss this window.
A (debatably) hopeful ending in a bleak moment.

Recorded July 11, 2025.

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