Noel Plum | 8 BAD Arguments About Trans Women in Female Sport @noelplum99 | Uploaded July 2020 | Updated October 2024, 1 week ago.
0:00 Introduction
3:34 1) The "woman is adult human female" argument
14:30 2) The "so height doesn't matter... even when it clearly does" argument
25:09 3) The "Michael Phelps is unfair" argument
32:33 4) The "trans women don't dominate ergo they have no advantage" argument
41:22 5) The "males outperform females: end of argument" argument
44:02 6) The "burden of proof" argument
51:45 7) The "women's sport is actually to protect men from elite women" argument
01:02:40 8) The "I haven't read the systematic review but I'll quote it anyway!" argument
This video follows from a debate that took place between the YouTubers Sargon of Akkad and Brenton Lengel, hosted initially on the Modern Day Debates channel (all links below).
In this video I use that debate to line up some of the recurring arguments in the debate over how to square the circle of trans women competing in the protected category of female sport.
I hope you find the responses to these arguments interesting and provoke you to consider their validity for yourself.
What this video is NOT is an attempt at laying out a structured narrative of the problems that arise from attempting to incorporate all people into a sporting binary of two sex/gender based categories nor my POSITIVE arguments as to the way through this situation. All these were covered in a number of videos last year that form the following playlist:
youtube.com/playlist?list=PLl8YBXeamXSLyIeD3qdGVrxvSHQ-lLM7O
This video took a great deal of putting together and I thank my patrons for helping me to make such content (especially given that such material flags as advertiser unfriendly which dissuades many YouTubers from these subjects).
patreon.com/noelplum99
paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=28BRVRN2DUQL6&source=url
Your links:
Intro:
Should Trans Women Be Able to Compete in Women's Sports? | Sargon vs Brenton
youtube.com/watch?v=04i3xZ89ces
Sargon's (most used) channel
youtube.com/channel/UCitU2-w3XE8ujvUZjcAnhIg
Brenton's channel
youtube.com/user/Despanan
Modern Day Debates (host of the original debate)
youtube.com/c/ModernDayDebate
Section 1)
Semenya and Athletics South Africa v. International Association of Athletics Federations, CAS 2018/O/5798, at 2 Court of Arb. for Sport(2018) (the document quoted in the video)
tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/CAS_Award_-_redacted_-_Semenya_ASA_IAAF.pdf
The more readable executive summary:
tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/CAS_Executive_Summary__5794_.pdf
Section 2
Olympic Games 2012 Volleyball Men (Height, Age)
fivb.org/en/technical/olympics/2012/men/Misc/Personal%20Data.htm
Height Percentile Calculator, by Age or Country
https://tall.life/height-percentile-calculator-age-country/
NBA Draft: Is Being 7 Feet Tall The Fastest Way To Get Rich In America?
forbes.com/sites/dandiamond/2013/06/27/nba-draft-is-being-7-feet-tall-the-fastest-way-to-get-rich-in-america/#75b5215f6522
Ross Tucker: On Transgender athletes and performance advantages
sportsscientists.com/2019/03/on-transgender-athletes-and-performance-advantages
Section 3
Ross Tucker: On DSDs, the theory of testosterone, performance the CAS ruling on Caster Semenya
sportsscientists.com/2019/05/on-dsds-the-theory-of-testosterone-performance-the-cas-ruling-on-caster-semenya
Section 4
Female hyperandrogenism and elite sport
ec.bioscientifica.com/view/journals/ec/9/4/EC-19-0537.xml
Why It’s Hard to Accept My Body
medium.com/@transphilosophr/why-its-hard-to-accept-my-body-4d98e19d4f0f
see also systematic report listed in section 8
Section 5
nil
Section 6
Proving a negative
http://departments.bloomu.edu/philosophy/pages/content/hales/articlepdf/proveanegative.pdf
Section 7
The Physical Obstacle for Women in Baseball
tht.fangraphs.com/the-physical-obstacle-for-women-in-baseball
Biomechanical Comparison Between Elite Female and Male Baseball Pitchers (Journal of Applied Biomechanics 2009)
girlsplaybaseball.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/biomechanical-comparison-between-elite-female-and-male-baseball-pitchers.pdf
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arran_Brindle
The World Darts Championship set a new milestone for women in sports
foxsports.com/other/story/world-darts-championship-fallon-sherrock-121819
Woman Beats Man at Darts Championship for the First Time
nytimes.com/2019/12/18/sports/fallon-sherrock-world-darts-championship.html
Section 8
Sport and Transgender People: A Systematic Review of the Literature Relating to Sport Participation and Competitive Sport Policies
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5357259
Karolinska study: Muscle strength, size and composition following 12 months of gender-affirming treatment in transgender individuals: retained advantage for the transwomen
biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/782557v1.full
0:00 Introduction
3:34 1) The "woman is adult human female" argument
14:30 2) The "so height doesn't matter... even when it clearly does" argument
25:09 3) The "Michael Phelps is unfair" argument
32:33 4) The "trans women don't dominate ergo they have no advantage" argument
41:22 5) The "males outperform females: end of argument" argument
44:02 6) The "burden of proof" argument
51:45 7) The "women's sport is actually to protect men from elite women" argument
01:02:40 8) The "I haven't read the systematic review but I'll quote it anyway!" argument
This video follows from a debate that took place between the YouTubers Sargon of Akkad and Brenton Lengel, hosted initially on the Modern Day Debates channel (all links below).
In this video I use that debate to line up some of the recurring arguments in the debate over how to square the circle of trans women competing in the protected category of female sport.
I hope you find the responses to these arguments interesting and provoke you to consider their validity for yourself.
What this video is NOT is an attempt at laying out a structured narrative of the problems that arise from attempting to incorporate all people into a sporting binary of two sex/gender based categories nor my POSITIVE arguments as to the way through this situation. All these were covered in a number of videos last year that form the following playlist:
youtube.com/playlist?list=PLl8YBXeamXSLyIeD3qdGVrxvSHQ-lLM7O
This video took a great deal of putting together and I thank my patrons for helping me to make such content (especially given that such material flags as advertiser unfriendly which dissuades many YouTubers from these subjects).
patreon.com/noelplum99
paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=28BRVRN2DUQL6&source=url
Your links:
Intro:
Should Trans Women Be Able to Compete in Women's Sports? | Sargon vs Brenton
youtube.com/watch?v=04i3xZ89ces
Sargon's (most used) channel
youtube.com/channel/UCitU2-w3XE8ujvUZjcAnhIg
Brenton's channel
youtube.com/user/Despanan
Modern Day Debates (host of the original debate)
youtube.com/c/ModernDayDebate
Section 1)
Semenya and Athletics South Africa v. International Association of Athletics Federations, CAS 2018/O/5798, at 2 Court of Arb. for Sport(2018) (the document quoted in the video)
tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/CAS_Award_-_redacted_-_Semenya_ASA_IAAF.pdf
The more readable executive summary:
tas-cas.org/fileadmin/user_upload/CAS_Executive_Summary__5794_.pdf
Section 2
Olympic Games 2012 Volleyball Men (Height, Age)
fivb.org/en/technical/olympics/2012/men/Misc/Personal%20Data.htm
Height Percentile Calculator, by Age or Country
https://tall.life/height-percentile-calculator-age-country/
NBA Draft: Is Being 7 Feet Tall The Fastest Way To Get Rich In America?
forbes.com/sites/dandiamond/2013/06/27/nba-draft-is-being-7-feet-tall-the-fastest-way-to-get-rich-in-america/#75b5215f6522
Ross Tucker: On Transgender athletes and performance advantages
sportsscientists.com/2019/03/on-transgender-athletes-and-performance-advantages
Section 3
Ross Tucker: On DSDs, the theory of testosterone, performance the CAS ruling on Caster Semenya
sportsscientists.com/2019/05/on-dsds-the-theory-of-testosterone-performance-the-cas-ruling-on-caster-semenya
Section 4
Female hyperandrogenism and elite sport
ec.bioscientifica.com/view/journals/ec/9/4/EC-19-0537.xml
Why It’s Hard to Accept My Body
medium.com/@transphilosophr/why-its-hard-to-accept-my-body-4d98e19d4f0f
see also systematic report listed in section 8
Section 5
nil
Section 6
Proving a negative
http://departments.bloomu.edu/philosophy/pages/content/hales/articlepdf/proveanegative.pdf
Section 7
The Physical Obstacle for Women in Baseball
tht.fangraphs.com/the-physical-obstacle-for-women-in-baseball
Biomechanical Comparison Between Elite Female and Male Baseball Pitchers (Journal of Applied Biomechanics 2009)
girlsplaybaseball.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/biomechanical-comparison-between-elite-female-and-male-baseball-pitchers.pdf
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arran_Brindle
The World Darts Championship set a new milestone for women in sports
foxsports.com/other/story/world-darts-championship-fallon-sherrock-121819
Woman Beats Man at Darts Championship for the First Time
nytimes.com/2019/12/18/sports/fallon-sherrock-world-darts-championship.html
Section 8
Sport and Transgender People: A Systematic Review of the Literature Relating to Sport Participation and Competitive Sport Policies
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5357259
Karolinska study: Muscle strength, size and composition following 12 months of gender-affirming treatment in transgender individuals: retained advantage for the transwomen
biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/782557v1.full
