Uploaded June 2026 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago

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We call it quitting. Failing. Giving up. But what if turning around is the smartest, bravest thing you can do?

Nelly Attar is a psychologist turned extreme athlete and mountaineer—the first Arab to summit K2, one of the deadliest mountains on Earth. She's also walked away from an 8,000-meter peak and closed the business she built from nothing. She doesn't call any of that failure. She calls it retreat.

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