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Psychiatrist, neuroscientist and bestselling author Iain McGilchrist joins Luke Martin for a rich and deeply personal conversation on consciousness, faith, beauty, suffering and the crisis of modern culture.
Rod Dreher has said McGilchrist’s The Matter With Things “will come to be regarded as one of the seminal texts of the century" — and in this wide-ranging interview, you can see why. McGilchrist reflects on the core ideas behind his work on the brain’s hemispheres, the modern loss of meaning, the danger of reductionism, and why transcendence, relationship, nature and the sacred matter for human flourishing.
He also opens up about Christianity, music, art, AI, civilisation, and the spiritual resources needed to resist an age of distraction, control and despair.
A thoughtful, moving and often profound conversation with one of the most original thinkers of our time.
00:00 The Two Hemispheres & Why They Matter
07:21 How Hemisphere Imbalance Shapes Western Civilisation
14:22 Belonging, Nature, and the Sacred: What Makes Life Meaningful
21:33 Education, Phones, and Recovering Real Presence
29:10 The Sense of the Sacred & Being a ‘Nuanced’ Christian
56:25 Music, Art, and Experiences of the Divine
01:04:05 AI, the Left Hemisphere, and Hope for the Future
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Psychiatrist, neuroscientist and bestselling author Iain McGilchrist joins Luke Martin for a rich and deeply personal conversation on consciousness, faith, beauty, suffering and the crisis of modern culture.
Rod Dreher has said McGilchrist’s The Matter With Things “will come to be regarded as one of the seminal texts of the century" — and in this wide-ranging interview, you can see why. McGilchrist reflects on the core ideas behind his work on the brain’s hemispheres, the modern loss of meaning, the danger of reductionism, and why transcendence, relationship, nature and the sacred matter for human flourishing.
He also opens up about Christianity, music, art, AI, civilisation, and the spiritual resources needed to resist an age of distraction, control and despair.
A thoughtful, moving and often profound conversation with one of the most original thinkers of our time.
00:00 The Two Hemispheres & Why They Matter
07:21 How Hemisphere Imbalance Shapes Western Civilisation
14:22 Belonging, Nature, and the Sacred: What Makes Life Meaningful
21:33 Education, Phones, and Recovering Real Presence
29:10 The Sense of the Sacred & Being a ‘Nuanced’ Christian
56:25 Music, Art, and Experiences of the Divine
01:04:05 AI, the Left Hemisphere, and Hope for the Future
For Luke Martin: follow on X https://x.com/luke_s_martin
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👉 Support thought-provoking conversations and help keep the show going at premierunbelievable.com/geolink/donate💡
🎧 Never miss an episode! Subscribe to the Unbelievable? podcast a www.premier.plus/unbelievable 🎙️
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