Why the Third Ethic of Permaculture Changed? @DiscoverPermaculture
Why the Third Ethic of Permaculture Changed?  @DiscoverPermaculture
Uploaded November 2025 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago
Scott spotted a discrepancy in the permaculture design manual and asked Geoff how population and consumption fit into the ethics. In this Q&A, Geoff explores how permaculture thinking has evolved, diving into energy audits, sustainable consumption, and what true wealth really means in a regenerative world.

He explains how systems should produce more energy than they consume, how to evaluate the real impact of what we eat, and how human population and resource use are naturally moderated by wealth and access. Geoff then reframes abundance: it’s not just material, but clean air, clean water, nutrient-dense food, comfortable housing, warmth, and thriving communities.

Finally, he shows how surplus—if managed wisely—can be returned to earth care and people care, creating a positive cycle of regeneration.

Geoff's Online Permaculture Design Course includes weekly video Q&A sessions where Geoff answers student questions. This question comes from the 2019 collection. Learn more about Geoff’s online courses at https://www.discoverpermaculture.com.

Key Takeaways:

- Permaculture ethics evolve. Beyond earth care and people care, the third ethic is about returning surplus to those first two principles.
- Energy audit is central. Systems should produce more energy than they consume and create surplus to maintain and enhance life systems.
- Sustainable consumption matters. Everything we consume should benefit the planet—consider production methods, transport, labor conditions, and ecological impact.
- Population and resource limits are interconnected. Wealth and access to resources influence fertility and consumption patterns naturally.
- Redefining true wealth. Clean air, water, nutrient-dense food, sensible housing, comfortable climate, and strong community form the foundation of abundance.
- Surplus must be used wisely. The goal is to return it to earth care and people care, amplifying the positive impact of human stewardship.

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Geoff is a world-renowned permaculture consultant, designer, and teacher that has established demonstration sites that function as education centers in all the world's major climates. Geoff has dedicated his life to spreading permaculture design across the globe and inspiring people to take care of the earth, each other, and to return the surplus.

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