Uploaded November 2025 | Updated September 2026, 1 week ago

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Jasmine Sun (https://jasmi.news/), Nathan Lambert (interconnects.ai/), and special guest Afra Wang (afraw.substack.com/).
Our article on 'China makes AI boyfriends and America makes AI girlfriends' https://www.chinatalk.media/p/why-america-builds-ai-girlfriends
More on the Hefei model: hellochinatech.substack.com/p/china-hefei-model
00:00 intro
05:53 ai
12:46 remorseful AI models
29:43 AI in porn
32:17 ai voice generation uncanny valley
34:55 good Chinese AI models and the hefei model
47:40 Vice Signaling
Outtro music: a suno song with kimi-generated generated lyrics called "A glitch in the gospel" suno.com/s/O8tIJ63c7t3NOEtO

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