Uploaded August 2026 | Updated September 2026, 3 weeks ago
Charles Guillemet, CTO of Ledger, and Illia Polosukhin, co-founder of NEAR Protocol, join Laura Shin to debunk the "harvest now, decrypt later" myth for blockchain, explain why an exposed public key is a real risk whether or not it ever touches the chain, and lay out the three brutal options for Bitcoin's dormant Satoshi-era coins under quantum threat: do nothing, freeze them forever, or freeze and tail-emit new BTC to compensate
Illia and Charles also get into why Bitcoin's fluid, leaderless governance makes reaching consensus on any of it so hard.
Host:
👉 Laura Shin - Founder, CEO and Host of Unchained - https://x.com/laurashin
Guests:
👉 Illia Polosukhin - Co-founder of NEAR Protocol - https://x.com/ilblackdragon
👉 Charles Guillemet - CTO of Ledger - https://x.com/P3b7_
This clip is from a longer conversation on preparing crypto to become quantum resistant. Full episode here: youtu.be/LiWa6xadGMQ
We go live twice every week - subscribe to catch it live.
Sponsor
👉 Visit 1inch to swap tokenized securities, crypto and more. Simple. Secure. Self-custodial. Whatever asset you’re buying - swap it at unchainedcrypto.com/go/1inch-yt.
Chapters
🕵️ 00:00 Charles debunks the 'harvest now, decrypt later' myth for blockchain
🔍 01:04 Illia and Charles: how exposed public keys actually leak via RPC traffic
⛓️ 03:12 The risk if one chain turns quantum-safe before others migrate
🪙 08:41 Charles lays out three options for Bitcoin's unmigrated coins
🏛️ 12:24 Why Bitcoin's fluid, leaderless governance makes consensus so hard
🤝 14:46 Laura, Illia, and Charles converge on freezing and re-minting BTC
_______________________________________________________
#bitcoin #ethereum #crypto #cryptocurrencies
_______________________________________________________
Subscribe to our channel!
Website → unchainedcrypto.com
Unchained Daily Newsletter (FREE!)→ unchainedcrypto.beehiiv.com/subscribe
Unchained X → https://x.com/unchained_pod
Apple → podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1123922160?ls=1
Spotify → open.spotify.com/show/1cJrrfGY1SKBIRn5noKSAf?si=6SI4qIcRTEO7EhOe0V9n4w
RSS Feed → https://feeds.megaphone.fm/LSHML4761942757
Unchained: Your no-hype resource for all things crypto!
Charles Guillemet, CTO of Ledger, and Illia Polosukhin, co-founder of NEAR Protocol, join Laura Shin to debunk the "harvest now, decrypt later" myth for blockchain, explain why an exposed public key is a real risk whether or not it ever touches the chain, and lay out the three brutal options for Bitcoin's dormant Satoshi-era coins under quantum threat: do nothing, freeze them forever, or freeze and tail-emit new BTC to compensate
Illia and Charles also get into why Bitcoin's fluid, leaderless governance makes reaching consensus on any of it so hard.
Host:
👉 Laura Shin - Founder, CEO and Host of Unchained - https://x.com/laurashin
Guests:
👉 Illia Polosukhin - Co-founder of NEAR Protocol - https://x.com/ilblackdragon
👉 Charles Guillemet - CTO of Ledger - https://x.com/P3b7_
This clip is from a longer conversation on preparing crypto to become quantum resistant. Full episode here: youtu.be/LiWa6xadGMQ
We go live twice every week - subscribe to catch it live.
Sponsor
👉 Visit 1inch to swap tokenized securities, crypto and more. Simple. Secure. Self-custodial. Whatever asset you’re buying - swap it at unchainedcrypto.com/go/1inch-yt.
Chapters
🕵️ 00:00 Charles debunks the 'harvest now, decrypt later' myth for blockchain
🔍 01:04 Illia and Charles: how exposed public keys actually leak via RPC traffic
⛓️ 03:12 The risk if one chain turns quantum-safe before others migrate
🪙 08:41 Charles lays out three options for Bitcoin's unmigrated coins
🏛️ 12:24 Why Bitcoin's fluid, leaderless governance makes consensus so hard
🤝 14:46 Laura, Illia, and Charles converge on freezing and re-minting BTC
_______________________________________________________
#bitcoin #ethereum #crypto #cryptocurrencies
_______________________________________________________
Subscribe to our channel!
Website → unchainedcrypto.com
Unchained Daily Newsletter (FREE!)→ unchainedcrypto.beehiiv.com/subscribe
Unchained X → https://x.com/unchained_pod
Apple → podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1123922160?ls=1
Spotify → open.spotify.com/show/1cJrrfGY1SKBIRn5noKSAf?si=6SI4qIcRTEO7EhOe0V9n4w
RSS Feed → https://feeds.megaphone.fm/LSHML4761942757
Unchained: Your no-hype resource for all things crypto!
