Uploaded November 2022 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago

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Bruce Hines returned with a stunning story for us about the year he spent auditing Mary Sue Hubbard while she was under a kind of house arrest in 1993. We couldn't wait to talk to him about it for our podcast. (Originally released on October 15, 2022.) You can hear all of our podcast episodes ad-free by signing for free emails at tonyortega.substack.com