Uploaded March 2026 | Updated September 2026, 1 week ago
Welcome to Founder Fridays - a Notion founder series - where we sit down with builders who've been in the trenches to talk shop - product, design, and the real lessons no one puts on a slide deck.
What happens when you take the career agent model reserved for athletes and celebrities and make it available to everyone? That's what Andre Hamra set out to build with Refer. In this episode, Andre and Notion's Arthur Rozenblit dig into the founder journey from a small town in Brazil to Stanford to Silicon Valley, the ethical lines AI companies should draw, and why hiring missionaries over mercenaries is non-negotiable.
To learn more about how Notion is supporting startups, please visit: https://ntn.so/founderfridays
00:00 Intro
00:55 Flipping the Recruiting Model
03:52 Why B2C Over B2B
05:15 Setting AI Guardrails
06:46 The Three-Day Hiring Vision
09:03 The Tool Stack
12:12 Advice Block
Welcome to Founder Fridays - a Notion founder series - where we sit down with builders who've been in the trenches to talk shop - product, design, and the real lessons no one puts on a slide deck.
What happens when you take the career agent model reserved for athletes and celebrities and make it available to everyone? That's what Andre Hamra set out to build with Refer. In this episode, Andre and Notion's Arthur Rozenblit dig into the founder journey from a small town in Brazil to Stanford to Silicon Valley, the ethical lines AI companies should draw, and why hiring missionaries over mercenaries is non-negotiable.
To learn more about how Notion is supporting startups, please visit: https://ntn.so/founderfridays
00:00 Intro
00:55 Flipping the Recruiting Model
03:52 Why B2C Over B2B
05:15 Setting AI Guardrails
06:46 The Three-Day Hiring Vision
09:03 The Tool Stack
12:12 Advice Block
