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Emily talks to investigative reporter at The Daily Caller News Foundation, Emily Kopp, about her bombshell report revealing that US spy agencies were "cozying up" to Wuhan virologist Ralph Baric long before the pandemic. Kopp details how new documents show the ODNI and CIA consulted Baric—the "big cheese" of coronavirus engineering—as early as 2015, even approaching him for a project on "human adaptation" of coronaviruses. They discuss how these same agencies, including the CIA, then "lied about the pandemic" and suppressed internal intelligence pointing to a lab leak—dismissing their own analysts as "conspiracy theorists"—likely because the truth would "implicate the agency" in the dangerous research.
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Emily talks to investigative reporter at The Daily Caller News Foundation, Emily Kopp, about her bombshell report revealing that US spy agencies were "cozying up" to Wuhan virologist Ralph Baric long before the pandemic. Kopp details how new documents show the ODNI and CIA consulted Baric—the "big cheese" of coronavirus engineering—as early as 2015, even approaching him for a project on "human adaptation" of coronaviruses. They discuss how these same agencies, including the CIA, then "lied about the pandemic" and suppressed internal intelligence pointing to a lab leak—dismissing their own analysts as "conspiracy theorists"—likely because the truth would "implicate the agency" in the dangerous research.
Watch it on the Undercurrents website: unherd.com/undercurrents
Listen to the podcast: shows.acast.com/undercurrents
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Twitter: twitter.com/UndercurrentsTV
#UnHerd #Undercurrents #EmilyJashinsky
