Majesty of Reason | Theism is rational, but Trent Horn is wrong and that upsets me @MajestyofReason | Uploaded June 2023 | Updated October 2024, 8 hours ago.
Here I respond to Trent Horn for the 912th time, this time on the problem of evil and the evil God challenge.
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OUTLINE
0:00 Intro
3:52 Gratuitous evil
6:39 Evil requires God?
10:48 Back to gratuitous evil
15:04 The price of a lawful ecosystem?
19:47 Intuition, methodology, and dialectic
29:20 Clarifying gratuity
35:44 Reversing the modus ponens
45:05 Total evidence requirement
46:39 Theodicy: Original Sin
51:45 Theodicy: Free Will
59:42 Theodicy: Virtue
1:03:17 Intrinsic human dignity
1:06:20 Compensation in heaven?
1:08:37 Non-human animal suffering
1:17:39 Evil God Challenge
1:20:46 Privation theory of evil
1:27:49 Soteriological confusion
1:30:57 Conclusion
MENTIONED RESOURCES
(1) Trent’s video to which I’m responding (from @TheCounselofTrent): youtu.be/ZzM443aJbyM
(2) Bengson, Cuneo, and Shafer-Landau’s paper: drive.google.com/file/d/1RDyu0j6vb-W_-bWMreQqw_XM8fLuvlKG/view?usp=sharing
(3) Murray’s “Nature Red in Tooth and Claw”: amazon.com/Nature-Red-Tooth-Claw-Suffering/dp/0199237271
(4) Draper’s paper on panpsychotheism: philpapers.org/rec/DRAP-3
(5) Sebastian’s post explaining why he’s an atheist: naturalismnext.blogspot.com/2022/12/why-im-atheist_6.html
(6) Emerson’s opening statement: emersongreenblog.wordpress.com/2022/06/27/god-probably-doesnt-exist
(7) Felipe Leon, "200 (or so) Arguments for Atheism": exapologist.blogspot.com/2022/06/120-or-so-arguments-for-atheism.html
(8) My Springer book: (a) amazon.com/Existential-Inertia-Classical-Theistic-Proofs-ebook/dp/B0BNMHRW63 (b) link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-031-19313-2
(9) My papers on classical theism can be found on my PhilPeople profile ( philpeople.org/profiles/joseph-schmid ) or my website ( josephschmid.com/research )
(10) Pruss’ presentation on the privation theory: youtube.com/watch?v=rYs0ompB0kk
(11) My video “Over 100 Arguments for God ANSWERED”: youtube.com/watch?v=iP0Mh42jvV4
(12) Stephen’s (and my) response to Ben Shapiro (from @rationalityrules): youtube.com/watch?v=_W4I3G9ahCw&pp=ygUXc2hhcGlybyBhcmd1bWVudCBjaGFuZ2U%3D
RELEVANT PLAYLISTS
(1) Argument from Change: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxRhaLyXxXka2JpwLJaSaXdDZlBYkd9Cn
(2) Existential Inertia: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxRhaLyXxXkbm7dtYaTCuJ33bePOTYBBB
(3) Kalam: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxRhaLyXxXkZzH2YffI32ViTZ73Tu8jSR
(4) Contingency Argument: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxRhaLyXxXkZkl5I5QDUXW5CauOfO_bs1
(5) Moral Argument: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxRhaLyXxXkaUcAQpHXN9ZNF2RxZLe7U_
(6) Response Videos: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxRhaLyXxXkaNtpoOwEZm9fuJq423BUrW
(7) Classical Theism: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxRhaLyXxXka0E9laGDA83gN2UbQoa4F2
CORRECTIONS
See the pinned comment for corrections!
THE USUAL...
Follow the Majesty of Reason podcast! open.spotify.com/show/4Nda5uNcGselvKphtKSKvH
Join the Discord and chat all things philosophy! dsc.gg/majestyofreason
My website: josephschmid.com
My PhilPeople profile: philpeople.org/profiles/joseph-schmid
Here I respond to Trent Horn for the 912th time, this time on the problem of evil and the evil God challenge.
Like the show? Help it grow! Consider becoming a patron (thanks!): patreon.com/majestyofreason
If you wanna make a one-time donation or tip (thanks!): paypal.com/paypalme/josephcschmid
OUTLINE
0:00 Intro
3:52 Gratuitous evil
6:39 Evil requires God?
10:48 Back to gratuitous evil
15:04 The price of a lawful ecosystem?
19:47 Intuition, methodology, and dialectic
29:20 Clarifying gratuity
35:44 Reversing the modus ponens
45:05 Total evidence requirement
46:39 Theodicy: Original Sin
51:45 Theodicy: Free Will
59:42 Theodicy: Virtue
1:03:17 Intrinsic human dignity
1:06:20 Compensation in heaven?
1:08:37 Non-human animal suffering
1:17:39 Evil God Challenge
1:20:46 Privation theory of evil
1:27:49 Soteriological confusion
1:30:57 Conclusion
MENTIONED RESOURCES
(1) Trent’s video to which I’m responding (from @TheCounselofTrent): youtu.be/ZzM443aJbyM
(2) Bengson, Cuneo, and Shafer-Landau’s paper: drive.google.com/file/d/1RDyu0j6vb-W_-bWMreQqw_XM8fLuvlKG/view?usp=sharing
(3) Murray’s “Nature Red in Tooth and Claw”: amazon.com/Nature-Red-Tooth-Claw-Suffering/dp/0199237271
(4) Draper’s paper on panpsychotheism: philpapers.org/rec/DRAP-3
(5) Sebastian’s post explaining why he’s an atheist: naturalismnext.blogspot.com/2022/12/why-im-atheist_6.html
(6) Emerson’s opening statement: emersongreenblog.wordpress.com/2022/06/27/god-probably-doesnt-exist
(7) Felipe Leon, "200 (or so) Arguments for Atheism": exapologist.blogspot.com/2022/06/120-or-so-arguments-for-atheism.html
(8) My Springer book: (a) amazon.com/Existential-Inertia-Classical-Theistic-Proofs-ebook/dp/B0BNMHRW63 (b) link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-031-19313-2
(9) My papers on classical theism can be found on my PhilPeople profile ( philpeople.org/profiles/joseph-schmid ) or my website ( josephschmid.com/research )
(10) Pruss’ presentation on the privation theory: youtube.com/watch?v=rYs0ompB0kk
(11) My video “Over 100 Arguments for God ANSWERED”: youtube.com/watch?v=iP0Mh42jvV4
(12) Stephen’s (and my) response to Ben Shapiro (from @rationalityrules): youtube.com/watch?v=_W4I3G9ahCw&pp=ygUXc2hhcGlybyBhcmd1bWVudCBjaGFuZ2U%3D
RELEVANT PLAYLISTS
(1) Argument from Change: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxRhaLyXxXka2JpwLJaSaXdDZlBYkd9Cn
(2) Existential Inertia: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxRhaLyXxXkbm7dtYaTCuJ33bePOTYBBB
(3) Kalam: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxRhaLyXxXkZzH2YffI32ViTZ73Tu8jSR
(4) Contingency Argument: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxRhaLyXxXkZkl5I5QDUXW5CauOfO_bs1
(5) Moral Argument: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxRhaLyXxXkaUcAQpHXN9ZNF2RxZLe7U_
(6) Response Videos: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxRhaLyXxXkaNtpoOwEZm9fuJq423BUrW
(7) Classical Theism: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxRhaLyXxXka0E9laGDA83gN2UbQoa4F2
CORRECTIONS
See the pinned comment for corrections!
THE USUAL...
Follow the Majesty of Reason podcast! open.spotify.com/show/4Nda5uNcGselvKphtKSKvH
Join the Discord and chat all things philosophy! dsc.gg/majestyofreason
My website: josephschmid.com
My PhilPeople profile: philpeople.org/profiles/joseph-schmid
