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In part 2 of our 3 part series on the intersection of Nazi and UFO lore in WWII, we’re be diving into two major themes of this mythology: the occult and secret technology.
We’ll be getting into everything in this episode: German occult clubs, Theosophy, secret technology, Die Glocke, foo fighters, the search for the Holy Grail and other relics, and more. And as we begin to untangle this dense and sprawling lore, we’ll see a new narrative being to emerge—one of humanity grappling with the unthinkable.
EPISODE BRIEF: bit.ly/ep12notes
TWITTER: twitter.com/UFO_Rabbit_Hole
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MENTIONED IN EPISODE:
UFOs Before Roswell: European Foo-Fighters 1940-1945 by Graeme Rendall
MUSIC:
Main Theme: Cabinet of Curiosities by Shaun Frearson
Music Break 1: My Lord by Yarin Primack
Music Break 2: Jakub Pietras
TIMESTAMPS:
00:00:30 Introduction
00:04:24 The Lore: UFOs, Nazis & The Occult
00:04:44 Madame Helena Blavatsky & Theosophism
00:06:55 Isis Unveiled & The Secret Doctrine
00:08:33 Races & Subraces
00:11:00 The Rise Of The Occult In Europe
00:11:11 Vril: The Coming Race
00:13:12 The Thule Society
00:14:17 Nazis & The Occult
00:14:59 Core Occult Beliefs Of Nazi Germany
0016:02 Lost Civilization, Secret Knowledge & Ancient Technology
00:16:36 The Ahnenerbe
00:18:52 Secret Nazi Technology
00:19:56 Die Glocke: The Nazi Bell
00:20:56 Foo Fighters
00:21:51 Escape To Antarctica
00:22:52 Music Break 1: My Lord by Yarin Primack
00:24:51 Deconstructing The Lore
00:28:24 Was Madame Helena Blavatsky A Fraud?
00:31:48 Why Did Blavatsky’s Message Resonate?
00:32:40 The Rise Of Fascism
00:36:00 Music Break 2: Stories by Jakub Pietras
00:37:17 Did The Nazis Really Have Advanced Technology?
00:37:37 Wernher von Braun & The German Rocket Program
00:39:58 Was Maria Orsic Real?
00:01:43 Did Germany Have A UFO Crash In 1936?
00:44:08 Was The Die Glocke (Nazi Bell) UFO Real?
00:47:25 Were The Foo Fighters In WWII Really UFOs?
00:51:51 Final Verdict On Advanced Nazi Technology & UFOs
00:53:06 Did The Nazi Search For Ancient Treasures?
00:53:56 Himmler, Thor’s Hammer & The Holy Grail
00:57:15 Hitler, The Ghent Altarpiece & The Grail
00:58:45 Thule, Tibet & Other Quests For Secret Knowledge
01:00:20 Did The Nazis Really Set Up A Base In Antarctica?
In part 2 of our 3 part series on the intersection of Nazi and UFO lore in WWII, we’re be diving into two major themes of this mythology: the occult and secret technology.
We’ll be getting into everything in this episode: German occult clubs, Theosophy, secret technology, Die Glocke, foo fighters, the search for the Holy Grail and other relics, and more. And as we begin to untangle this dense and sprawling lore, we’ll see a new narrative being to emerge—one of humanity grappling with the unthinkable.
EPISODE BRIEF: bit.ly/ep12notes
TWITTER: twitter.com/UFO_Rabbit_Hole
FACEBOOK: facebook.com/uforabbithole
WEBSITE: uforabbithole.com
MENTIONED IN EPISODE:
UFOs Before Roswell: European Foo-Fighters 1940-1945 by Graeme Rendall
MUSIC:
Main Theme: Cabinet of Curiosities by Shaun Frearson
Music Break 1: My Lord by Yarin Primack
Music Break 2: Jakub Pietras
TIMESTAMPS:
00:00:30 Introduction
00:04:24 The Lore: UFOs, Nazis & The Occult
00:04:44 Madame Helena Blavatsky & Theosophism
00:06:55 Isis Unveiled & The Secret Doctrine
00:08:33 Races & Subraces
00:11:00 The Rise Of The Occult In Europe
00:11:11 Vril: The Coming Race
00:13:12 The Thule Society
00:14:17 Nazis & The Occult
00:14:59 Core Occult Beliefs Of Nazi Germany
0016:02 Lost Civilization, Secret Knowledge & Ancient Technology
00:16:36 The Ahnenerbe
00:18:52 Secret Nazi Technology
00:19:56 Die Glocke: The Nazi Bell
00:20:56 Foo Fighters
00:21:51 Escape To Antarctica
00:22:52 Music Break 1: My Lord by Yarin Primack
00:24:51 Deconstructing The Lore
00:28:24 Was Madame Helena Blavatsky A Fraud?
00:31:48 Why Did Blavatsky’s Message Resonate?
00:32:40 The Rise Of Fascism
00:36:00 Music Break 2: Stories by Jakub Pietras
00:37:17 Did The Nazis Really Have Advanced Technology?
00:37:37 Wernher von Braun & The German Rocket Program
00:39:58 Was Maria Orsic Real?
00:01:43 Did Germany Have A UFO Crash In 1936?
00:44:08 Was The Die Glocke (Nazi Bell) UFO Real?
00:47:25 Were The Foo Fighters In WWII Really UFOs?
00:51:51 Final Verdict On Advanced Nazi Technology & UFOs
00:53:06 Did The Nazi Search For Ancient Treasures?
00:53:56 Himmler, Thor’s Hammer & The Holy Grail
00:57:15 Hitler, The Ghent Altarpiece & The Grail
00:58:45 Thule, Tibet & Other Quests For Secret Knowledge
01:00:20 Did The Nazis Really Set Up A Base In Antarctica?
![[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 12: Nazis & UFOs [Pt 2]: The Occult & Secret Technology](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/SzjiPcNSXTU/mqdefault.jpg "[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 12: Nazis & UFOs [Pt 2]: The Occult & Secret Technology
In part 2 of our 3 part series on the intersection of Nazi and UFO lore in WWII, we’re be diving into two major themes of this mythology: the occult and secret technology.
We’ll be getting into everything in this episode: German occult clubs, Theosophy, secret technology, Die Glocke, foo fighters, the search for the Holy Grail and other relics, and more. And as we begin to untangle this dense and sprawling lore, we’ll see a new narrative being to emerge—one of humanity grappling with the unthinkable.
EPISODE BRIEF: bit.ly/ep12notes
TWITTER: twitter.com/UFO_Rabbit_Hole
FACEBOOK: facebook.com/uforabbithole
WEBSITE: uforabbithole.com
MENTIONED IN EPISODE:
UFOs Before Roswell: European Foo-Fighters 1940-1945 by Graeme Rendall
MUSIC:
Main Theme: Cabinet of Curiosities by Shaun Frearson
Music Break 1: My Lord by Yarin Primack
Music Break 2: Jakub Pietras
TIMESTAMPS:
00:00:30 Introduction
00:04:24 The Lore: UFOs, Nazis & The Occult
00:04:44 Madame Helena Blavatsky & Theosophism
00:06:55 Isis Unveiled & The Secret Doctrine
00:08:33 Races & Subraces
00:11:00 The Rise Of The Occult In Europe
00:11:11 Vril: The Coming Race
00:13:12 The Thule Society
00:14:17 Nazis & The Occult
00:14:59 Core Occult Beliefs Of Nazi Germany
0016:02 Lost Civilization, Secret Knowledge & Ancient Technology
00:16:36 The Ahnenerbe
00:18:52 Secret Nazi Technology
00:19:56 Die Glocke: The Nazi Bell
00:20:56 Foo Fighters
00:21:51 Escape To Antarctica
00:22:52 Music Break 1: My Lord by Yarin Primack
00:24:51 Deconstructing The Lore
00:28:24 Was Madame Helena Blavatsky A Fraud?
00:31:48 Why Did Blavatsky’s Message Resonate?
00:32:40 The Rise Of Fascism
00:36:00 Music Break 2: Stories by Jakub Pietras
00:37:17 Did The Nazis Really Have Advanced Technology?
00:37:37 Wernher von Braun & The German Rocket Program
00:39:58 Was Maria Orsic Real?
00:01:43 Did Germany Have A UFO Crash In 1936?
00:44:08 Was The Die Glocke (Nazi Bell) UFO Real?
00:47:25 Were The Foo Fighters In WWII Really UFOs?
00:51:51 Final Verdict On Advanced Nazi Technology & UFOs
00:53:06 Did The Nazi Search For Ancient Treasures?
00:53:56 Himmler, Thor’s Hammer & The Holy Grail
00:57:15 Hitler, The Ghent Altarpiece & The Grail
00:58:45 Thule, Tibet & Other Quests For Secret Knowledge
01:00:20 Did The Nazis Really Set Up A Base In Antarctica?")
![[UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 22: Waking Up Inside The Cave [Pt 2]: Simulations & The Holographic Universe](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TdPUeqhCEBY/mqdefault.jpg "[UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 22: Waking Up Inside The Cave [Pt 2]: Simulations & The Holographic Universe
In part two of The Waking Up Inside The Cave series we continue our interogation of consensus reality and consider two theories—the simulation theory & the holographic principal—to see what explanatory power they may have in this strange new paradigm in which we find ourselves.
LISTEN TO PART ONE:
https://youtu.be/PL49UYhyX5U
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https://uforabbithole.com/podcast/ep-22-waking-up-inside-the-cave-pt-2-simulation-theory-the-holographic-universe/
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MUSIC
Theme: Cabinet of Curiosities by Shaun Frearson
TIMESTAMPS
00:30 Introduction
03:41 What Are The Chances That We’re Living In A Simulation?
11:52 Signs That We’re Living In A Simulation
12:23 -A Self-Contained System
15:07 -Calibration
17:41 -Processing Speed
21:34 -Rendering
25:00 -Pixelation
26:12 -System Updates
30:13 -Purpose
32:05 The Verdict: Do We Live In A Simulation?
33:04 Could There Be Another Explanation?
33:26 What Is A Hologram?
35:25 The Holographic Universe
37:37 The Implications Of The Holographic Universe
38:13 -No Need For A Programmer
39:19 -Everything Is Everything
41:12 -The Non-Local Universe
45:25 The Holographic Mind
47:31 A New Paradigm Of Reality
48:32 Conclusion")
![[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 26: An Interview with Jeffrey Kripal: The Flip & How To Think Impossibly](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/UGOSdkayIK8/mqdefault.jpg "[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 26: An Interview with Jeffrey Kripal: The Flip & How To Think Impossibly
EPISODE BRIEF
https://uforabbithole.com/podcast/ep-26-an-interview-with-jeffrey-kripal-the-flip-how-to-think-impossibly/
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MUSIC
Theme: Cabinet of Curiosities by Shaun Frearson")
![[The UFO Rabbit Hole] An Interview with Sharon Hewitt Rawlette: On Synchronicities](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WjLjtgyJWDg/mqdefault.jpg "[The UFO Rabbit Hole] An Interview with Sharon Hewitt Rawlette: On Synchronicities
EPISODE BRIEF
https://uforabbithole.com/podcast/an-interview-with-sharon-hewitt-rawlette-on-synchronicities/
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Patrons get lots of great perks like early and ad-free episodes, access to the private The UFO Rabbit Hole Discord server, and twice-monthly Patron Zoom calls with Kelly Chase. Memberships start at just $5/month.
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MUSIC
Theme: Cabinet of Curiosities by Shaun Frearson")
![[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 13: Nazis & UFOs [Pt 3]: Antarctica, Atlantis & Alien Bases](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/X71DnQUpAks/mqdefault.jpg "[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 13: Nazis & UFOs [Pt 3]: Antarctica, Atlantis & Alien Bases
In part 3 of the Nazis & UFOs series we explore the soure of some of the most outlandish and intriguing stories in UFO lore—Antarctica.
In 1938, Nazi Germany made an expedition to Antarctica where they claimed territory. What could have compelled them to make that investment of time and resources in the lead up to WWII? Were they looking for something? And could they have found it?
After the war, rumors swirled that what remained of the Third Reich escaped to secret bases in Antarctica and from there the mystique only grew. Since then, a baroque mythology has sprung up around the southernmost continent, with each new twist and turn only adding to mystery.
Today, we’ll dive into some of the most popular—and bizarre—theories as to what the Nazis may have found in Antarctica—including the lost city of Atlantis, an unknown ancient culture from the distant past, secret alien bases, and more.
EPISODE BRIEF
Read the complete brief (complete with source list and bonus materials) here: bit.ly/ep13-notes
GOOGLE EARTH LINKS
The Azores: bit.ly/google-earth-azores
The Pyramid in Antarctica: bit.ly/google-earth-antarctica-pyramid
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TIMESTAMPS
00:30:00 Introduction
00:01:31 Antarctica Overview
00:03:22 Is Antarctica Really Atlantis?
00:03:42 Was Atlantis Real?
00:04:11 Atlantis In Plato: Timaeus & Critias
00:11:45 The History Of Atlantis
00:15:49 What Evidence Is There That Atlantis Was Real?
00:15:56 Evidence Of Ancient, Pre-Ice Age Civilizations
00:16:40 The Richat Structure
00:18:39 Clues About The Location Of Atlantis
00:20:28 Did The Ancient Greeks Discover America First?
00:21:44 The Piri Reis Map
00:26:25 An Unnavigable Sea & The Mid-Atlantic Ridge
00:31:38 Underwater Pyramid In The Azores
00:32:46 Music Break—Pseudo Machine by Charlie Ryan
00:34:08 Could Antarctica Be Atlantis?
00:38:49 The Lessons Of Atlantis
00:40:09 Music Break—Pseudo Machine by Charlie Ryan
00:42:31Is There A Pyramid In Antarctica?
00:50:55 Is There An Alien Base In Antarctica?
00:51:22 Spartan 1
00:53:09 Is Linda Moulton Howe Credible?
00:54:00 Linda Moulton Howe: Early Career
00:55:31 Contract With HBO
00:57:29 Meeting Richard Doty
00:59:33 It All Falls Apart
01:02:30 “A Fractured Hall Of Mirrors With A Quicksand Floor”
01:03:10 Counterintelligence & The UFO Community
01:06:15 Richard Doty
1:09:55 The Question Of Linda Moulton Howe’s Credibility
01:13:50 Is The Entrance To Hollow Earth In Antarctica?")
![[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 18: An Interview with Dr. James Madden: Philosophy & UFOs](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Xbxx5m9FbHs/mqdefault.jpg "[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 18: An Interview with Dr. James Madden: Philosophy & UFOs
In this episode, I’m bringing you an interview with Dr. James Madden, professor of philosophy at Benedictine University. He is a martial artist, fitness coach, and philosopher with particular interest in the philosophy of mind, aesthetics, philosophy of religion, Aristotelianism, and phenomenology.
If you’ll recall from the last episode, Diana mentioned Dr. Madden as someone who shared her “spooky” interpretation of the Cave. I first met Jim when he was a speaker in one of Diana’s classes over the summer on this subject, and I really enjoyed learning from him. He has a really coherent way of placing the Cave within its proper context both within Plato’s Republic and within its historical context that opens up these ideas in inspiring and challenging ways.
So that’s where we’ll start, with an hour-long deep dive into Plato’s Cave, and what it implies for the nature of both reality and the UFO phenomenon. And then in the second half of the interview, we’ll turn to Dr. Madden’s latest philosophical work with regard to the phenomenon including what Heidegger reveals to us about the life and work of Godfather of Modern Ufology, Jaques Vallee, what Aristotle’s natural theology suggests about the potential nature of non-human intelligence, and how that work is being continued in the modern day by Dr. Jeffrey Kripal of Rice University. And finally, we’ll explore Dr. Madden’s fascinating hypothesis for the origins of the UFO phenomenon through the concept of the “umwelt”.
I hope you all enjoy this conversation as much as I enjoyed having it. This is my longest episode to date because we were having such a blast that I completely lost track of time. And when I went back to listen again, there wasn’t anything that I wanted to cut out. If you enjoy wading out into the deep end of the UFO phenomenon, this episode is for you.
LISTEN TO THESE EPISODES FIRST
If these ideas are new to you, you might find it helpful to go back and listen to the previous two episodes to get greater context.
Ep 16: The Sky Calls To Us: The Occult Origins Of The Space Race: https://youtu.be/cqxTdDdrjGU
Ep 17: An Interview with Dr. Diana Walsh Pasulka: https://youtu.be/rnbPV8cfYUY
GO TO EPISODE BRIEF FOR ALL RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THE EPISODE: https://bit.ly/ep18-notes
FIND MORE OF DR. JAMES MADDEN’S WORK
Dr. James Madden’s Website: https://www.jdmadden.com/
Dr. James Madden’s Substack: https://jdmadden.substack.com/
Online Course: Heidegger’s The Question Concerning Technology: https://jmadden.gumroad.com/l/trnat
UFO Realism and the Uber-Umwelt: https://jdmadden.substack.com/p/ufo-realism-and-the-uber-umwelt
Aristotle, Myth, and Extraterrestrial Intelligences: https://jdmadden.substack.com/p/aristotle-myth-and-extraterrestrial
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MUSIC
Theme: Cabinet of Curiosities by Shaun Frearson
Music Break: Golden Hour by Jonas Kolberg")
![[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 10: A Rational Approach To Ancient Aliens [Pt 3]: NHIs & Cataclysms](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YaZwxKfvV9s/mqdefault.jpg "[The UFO Rabbit Hole] Ep 10: A Rational Approach To Ancient Aliens [Pt 3]: NHIs & Cataclysms
In the final part of this 3 part series, A Rational Approach to Ancient Aliens, we finally get to the good stuff — non-human intervention and cyclical global cataclysms. We’ll start by taking a tour of some of the most mysterious archeological sites in the world: from Puma Punku in Bolivia to Baalbek in Lebanon. We’ll even talk about a sunken city off the coast of Cuba that may be 50,000 years old.
Do these anomalous sites prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the ancient alien theory is true, and that human civilization was guided — or perhaps even seeded — but a super advanced intelligence in the distant past?
And finally, we’ll look at the evidence surrounding the cataclysm that kicked off the Younger Dryas as well as examine the possibility that a more dramatic and profound cycle of global disasters may be responsible for shaping human history.
EPISODE BRIEF WITH PICTURES: https://bit.ly/ep10notes
MUSIC:
Asturias by Alon Peretz
Ancient by Nimrod Nol
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TIMESTAMPS
00:01:44 The Sunken City In Cuba
00:07:14 Puma Punku & Tiwanaku
00:17:53 Baalbek
00:21:00 The Most Impressive Parts Of Megalithic Structures Are Usually The Oldest Parts
00:23:38 Are Ancient Aliens Real?
00:26:21 Pockets Of Civilization Were Isolated AND Global
00:29:31 Evidence Of Advanced Technology
00:33:10 Human Civilization More Ancient Than We Thought
00:36:27 It Could Have Been Aliens
00:43:49 Who Is Inside The UFOs?
00:45:27 Why Did Ancient Humans Create Megaliths?
00:51:10 If Pre-Ice Age Civilizations Existed, What Happened To Them?
00:51:42 The Younger Dryas & The Ice Ages
00:54:09 What Caused The Younger Dryas?
00:55:51 A Comet Impact
00:57:21 A Solar Event
00:58:43 The Mystery Of The Poles
00:59:06 The Great Flood
01:02:16 Albert Einstein, Charles Hapgood, & Immanuel Velikovsky
01:03:15 Crust Displacement & Earth’s Shifting Crust
01:05:39 Worlds In Collision
01:09:06 The CIA and The Story Of Adam & Eve
01:14:27 Mark J. Carlotto & Alignment Of Megalithic Structures
01:21:33 The Esoteric Tradition & UFOs")
