Uploaded March 2025 | Updated September 2026, 2 weeks ago
For me and many Christians The Shroud of Turin has gone overlooked, but recent studies on the Shroud have brought new information into the conversation. In this podcast we will pick up the conversation where Joe Rogan and Mel Gibson left off, bringing in some great insight from Dr. John Campbell along the way. We will end this part of the conversation with what I think is the most important topic at the heart of the Shroud conversation. The true claim of Christianity is that we have come into contact with the resurrected Christ. We are not looking for physical artifacts to verify the real presence of God in our lives. The real artifact Jesus left behind is the Body of Christ we know as the Church.
Resources and Links:
@joerogan and Mel Gibson youtu.be/1rYtrS5IbrQ?si=RKoAZB_T6wG1gaUe
Dr. John Campbell @Campbellteaching on the Shroud youtu.be/YT1R2kDPHFA?si=aUZx5vNpN-18fHdG
Eddie Bravo on JRE youtube.com/live/Xr-DqSmJEXI?si=Pn6pefync-XvC0qR
@JesseSpeaksYT Short youtube.com/shorts/GuADQhV-sck?si=Kgc14Q6Fsx4KUXYd
Outro Music by Scot Phegley open.spotify.com/artist/1GvB3ZwJ3RZtTqjoKrTT4r?si=e2mmMSvOTKqzwop0Kd8RFA
John Calvin on the Shroud “In this way it would be discovered, that the possession of such relics was of little use, or was altogether superfluous and frivolous, whereas, on the other hand, it was most difficult, or rather impossible, that men should not thereby degenerate into idolatry. For they cannot look upon them, or handle them, without veneration; and there being no limit to this, the honour due to Christ is forthwith paid to them.”
purelypresbyterian.com/2024/08/23/john-calvin-on-the-shroud-of-turin
The Sermon of Athanasius. 68 AD.
“The Sermon of Athanasius, as Markwardt acknowledges, is even less strong. Although Markwardt gives it a date of 68 AD, he is referring here to an event it describes, not to the sermon. Athanasius flourished at the beginning of the fourth century, and many of his sermons have been preserved, but none of them refer to the miracle of Beirut, which is the subject of this particular sermon. We only know of it because it was quoted by Bishop Peter of Nicomedia at the Second Council of Nicea in 737 AD. By this time there were sufficient numbers of images of Christ to make it a topic of intense debate as to whether they should be encouraged or not. The Council of Trullo in 692 AD had determined that Jesus should always be depicted as a human rather than symbolically, but over-enthusiasm for the venerating of such images and the danger of breaking the second commandment, perhaps coupled to an apparent act of retribution by God by a devastating earthquake in 726 AD, led Pope Leo II to institute a period of iconoclasm, inaugurated by the removal of the image of Christ on the roof or above the door of the Chalke Gate in Constantinople.” (from medievalshroud.com/absence-of-evidence-2/)
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0:00 An Ongoing Conversation
0:57 Joe Rogan and Mel Gibson On The Shroud
4:45 From Dragons to the Resurrection
6:25 Faith That Withstands The Test Of Time
9:09 Dr. John Campbell on The Shroud
10:35 John Calvin Wants People to Meet The Real Jesus
14:52 Shroud Image vs. Historical Jesus
23:44 The Mystery of The Image on Cloth
26:26 What Did The Galatian Church See?
30:14 The Cumulative Case
31:44 A Message For Later Times
34:57 Eddie Bravo’s Mind Explodes
36:27 The Most Fun Explanation
37:25 The True Miracle Behind The Shroud
45:40 Outro Music by Scot Phegley
For me and many Christians The Shroud of Turin has gone overlooked, but recent studies on the Shroud have brought new information into the conversation. In this podcast we will pick up the conversation where Joe Rogan and Mel Gibson left off, bringing in some great insight from Dr. John Campbell along the way. We will end this part of the conversation with what I think is the most important topic at the heart of the Shroud conversation. The true claim of Christianity is that we have come into contact with the resurrected Christ. We are not looking for physical artifacts to verify the real presence of God in our lives. The real artifact Jesus left behind is the Body of Christ we know as the Church.
Resources and Links:
@joerogan and Mel Gibson youtu.be/1rYtrS5IbrQ?si=RKoAZB_T6wG1gaUe
Dr. John Campbell @Campbellteaching on the Shroud youtu.be/YT1R2kDPHFA?si=aUZx5vNpN-18fHdG
Eddie Bravo on JRE youtube.com/live/Xr-DqSmJEXI?si=Pn6pefync-XvC0qR
@JesseSpeaksYT Short youtube.com/shorts/GuADQhV-sck?si=Kgc14Q6Fsx4KUXYd
Outro Music by Scot Phegley open.spotify.com/artist/1GvB3ZwJ3RZtTqjoKrTT4r?si=e2mmMSvOTKqzwop0Kd8RFA
John Calvin on the Shroud “In this way it would be discovered, that the possession of such relics was of little use, or was altogether superfluous and frivolous, whereas, on the other hand, it was most difficult, or rather impossible, that men should not thereby degenerate into idolatry. For they cannot look upon them, or handle them, without veneration; and there being no limit to this, the honour due to Christ is forthwith paid to them.”
purelypresbyterian.com/2024/08/23/john-calvin-on-the-shroud-of-turin
The Sermon of Athanasius. 68 AD.
“The Sermon of Athanasius, as Markwardt acknowledges, is even less strong. Although Markwardt gives it a date of 68 AD, he is referring here to an event it describes, not to the sermon. Athanasius flourished at the beginning of the fourth century, and many of his sermons have been preserved, but none of them refer to the miracle of Beirut, which is the subject of this particular sermon. We only know of it because it was quoted by Bishop Peter of Nicomedia at the Second Council of Nicea in 737 AD. By this time there were sufficient numbers of images of Christ to make it a topic of intense debate as to whether they should be encouraged or not. The Council of Trullo in 692 AD had determined that Jesus should always be depicted as a human rather than symbolically, but over-enthusiasm for the venerating of such images and the danger of breaking the second commandment, perhaps coupled to an apparent act of retribution by God by a devastating earthquake in 726 AD, led Pope Leo II to institute a period of iconoclasm, inaugurated by the removal of the image of Christ on the roof or above the door of the Chalke Gate in Constantinople.” (from medievalshroud.com/absence-of-evidence-2/)
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I have made significant alterations to transform the original content and use it for educational purposes. Content used in the making of this video is protected under fair use guidelines. Reporting a false copyright claim is prohibited under the US Copyright Act Section 506
0:00 An Ongoing Conversation
0:57 Joe Rogan and Mel Gibson On The Shroud
4:45 From Dragons to the Resurrection
6:25 Faith That Withstands The Test Of Time
9:09 Dr. John Campbell on The Shroud
10:35 John Calvin Wants People to Meet The Real Jesus
14:52 Shroud Image vs. Historical Jesus
23:44 The Mystery of The Image on Cloth
26:26 What Did The Galatian Church See?
30:14 The Cumulative Case
31:44 A Message For Later Times
34:57 Eddie Bravo’s Mind Explodes
36:27 The Most Fun Explanation
37:25 The True Miracle Behind The Shroud
45:40 Outro Music by Scot Phegley
